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From the sermonWhy is the U.S. Church Mocked and Rejected? · Pastor David G. Kincer▶ 0:00

In “Why Is the U.S. Church Mocked and Rejected?”, Pastor David G. Kincer reviews America’s four great spiritual awakenings and says the church fell asleep while the enemy sowed tares. He says Christians invite mockery by speech that sounds insane and by behavior no different from the world, including fighting over doctrines that hurt no one. His answer is to stop shunning those who disagree, live by the two commandments of love, do good, and respond with love.

What were America’s great spiritual awakenings?

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Short answer: He asks why the U.S. church is mocked and rejected and says history records four great awakenings, the first in 1730 before the Revolutionary War and the second from 1800 to 1840, which addressed alcohol, tobacco, slavery and women’s rights.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 0:00 And we thank you and appreciate you joining us in further pursuit of clarity on crucial choices. Today we’re going to ask the question: has the United States of America church made the best choices? Or, why is the United States church mocked and rejected today? Now, we know from history there have been four great spiritual awakenings. The first was in 1730, preceding the Revolutionary War and preparing us for it. The second was in 1800 through 1840, where alcohol, tobacco, the abolition of slavery and women’s rights was addressed.

Why does the church keep needing revival?

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Short answer: He describes the third and fourth awakenings and says that when you go to sleep you have to be reawakened. From Matthew 13:25 he says that while men slept the enemy sowed tares among the wheat, and that is what happens when the church goes to sleep.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 0:52 The third one was 1850 through the 1900s, and pre- and post-Civil War, and they address the social ills of the drunks, the orphans, the widows and so forth. The fourth was in 1948 through ‘80, where the Holy Spirit was poured out, miracles happened, praise and worship was introduced to the church, unity. And in the, the secular world, In God We Trust was put on our money in 1954, and One Nation Under God was put in our pledge in 1956, and throughout the ‘50s millions of Americans made a decision to serve Jesus Christ. Now, why do we need four awakenings? Well, when you go to sleep, you have to be reawakened, either by yourself naturally or an alarm. In Matthew 13:25 Jesus said, while men slept, his enemies came and sowed tares among the wheat. So the children of the wicked one, the children of Satan, among the wheat, while men slept. And so that’s what happens when the church goes to sleep: we need an awakening. In the ‘60s, Bible, prayer and Jesus was put out of public places and public schools; the sexual revolution and evolution was replacing them.

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Matthew 13:25 (NKJV)

but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way.

— Matthew 13:25 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 1:40

Why do people think Christians are crazy?

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Short answer: He traces what replaced the Bible in each decade since the 1960s and says the gap between awakenings has been 10, 30 and 50 years. He says Christians talk “like they’re crazy,” citing 1 Corinthians 14:9 and 14:23.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 2:14 In the ‘70s, abortion, drugs, homosexual agenda and rock and roll was the main focus of America. In the ‘80s, corrupt activist leaders fighting against these evils, and corrupt ministers and priests were exposed; many gave up the fight and left the enemy seeds to grow by themselves. In the ‘90s, psychology, grace and faith, entertainment, seeker-friendly church, intellectual reasoning replaced the Holy Spirit’s power and the power of the Bible. It took between the previous awakenings was 10, 30 and 50 years. There is 30 years between the last awakening and the one we are looking for. Now, what are the reasons for mockery and rejection of Christians? Christians talk like crazy, like they’re crazy. First Corinthians 14:9: unless you utter by the tongue words easy to understand. Verse 23: they will, will they not say that you are out of your mind? You are, you people are nuts.

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1 Corinthians 14:9 (NKJV)

So likewise you, unless you utter by the tongue words easy to understand, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air.

— 1 Corinthians 14:9 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 3:05
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1 Corinthians 14:23 (NKJV)

Therefore if the whole church comes together in one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those who are uninformed or unbelievers, will they not say that you are out of your mind?

— 1 Corinthians 14:23 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 3:15

Is it a blessing to be insulted as a Christian?

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Short answer: From 1 Peter 4:14 he says you are blessed if insulted for the name of Christ, but not if insulted as an evildoer. He says “once saved, always saved” is insane talk, because you got to back up your salvation with proper behavior.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 3:23 In First Peter 4:14, if you’re insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, and happy are you. But if you’re insulted as an evildoer, you are not blessed. And so our behavior and our speech invite mockery and rejection and insults. Eternal salvation: here’s some, a list of some insane Christian speech. Once saved, always saved from sin, sin’s penalty, that they have wrath, and Satan. That’s like saying the blind man and the leper and all them that got healed from their diseases would never have to be delivered from sickness again, when Jesus said, go and sin no more, lest something worse come upon you. You don’t get something for nothing; you got to back up your salvation with proper behavior.

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1 Peter 4:14-15 (NKJV)

If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified. But let none of you suffer as a murderer, a thief, an evildoer, or as a busybody in other people’s matters.

— 1 Peter 4:14-15 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 3:25
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John 5:14 (NKJV)

Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, “See, you have been made well. Sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you.”

— John 5:14 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 4:00 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

Does faith alone make you rich or healthy?

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Short answer: He calls “faith only” and “pray only” talk insane: believing God will make you rich without a job skill, healthy without doctors, or employed without education. He says constantly announcing Jesus is coming any minute makes Christians sound like idiots.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 4:19 Another one is faith only. All I got to do is believe God, get rich, don’t have to go to college, don’t have to learn a job skill. God, God, faith to get me rich, faith will get me healthy, faith to get me healing, don’t need medicine, I don’t need doctors. Uh, eternal life, faith is all there is, no matter how I live, I, faith is it. Pray only: pray for a job, don’t have to get in a job skill, don’t have to get an education, just pray for a job; pray for healing; pray to pass the college examination or my [unclear] test; just pray; just pray for the wicked to be saved in America, that’s all I got to do. You know, that’s insane talk. Imminent or predicted time of Jesus’ return: for hundreds of years the church world, he’s coming any minute, he’s coming soon, he’s coming in a minute, he’s coming soon, and he hasn’t come any minute and he hasn’t come soon. So we sound like a bunch of idiots.

Should Christians predict when Jesus will return?

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Short answer: He says authors predicted years for Christ’s coming and all missed, and that claiming to interpret Revelation, Daniel and Ezekiel, tongues without interpretation, false healings and failed prophecy invite the insults.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 5:21 Then we predicted years, from LaHaye to all these other authors predicting the coming of Christ, and they all missed, including, uh, Smith of Calvary Chapel. We claim interpretation of the books in the Bible, of Revelation and Daniel and Ezekiel, when the authors didn’t even know what they meant, but oh, we know what they mean, and we sound crazy. Tongues without interpretation: First Corinthians plainly says people are going to think you’re nuts. False healings: people have been proclaimed to be healed that died. Prophecy that didn’t come to pass. And so yes, when we talk like that, when our doctrines and our speeches like that, the humanists think we are a bunch of nuts. We invite the insults.

Why do Christians divide over doctrine?

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Short answer: He says Christians divide over sectarian issues that hurt no one, such as water baptism, tongues, worship, women in ministry, hair and clothing, and asks why we fight over them. He says when believers sin like others, outsiders say “you’re no different than I am.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 6:25 And so we’re going to look into why Christians are insulted and mocked because of their behavior. Sectarian issues that we divide over that directly hurt no one, like water baptism, tongues, worship, second coming, anointing or holy water, women in the ministry, hair, clothing, jewelry and so forth. They hurt nobody. Why in the world do we fight and argue over things that don’t physically or financially, mentally hurt anybody? And the humanists look at us and go, man, you guys are a bunch of crackpots, all of you are saying the different things. And so they insult us and they mock us, and we invite it in our behavior. We may, we commit crime or sin that humanists commit or don’t commit; as the Bible says, even the pagans don’t do this, he told the Corinthian church. And yet we say we got eternal life and they’re going to the lake of fire, and so the people outside of the church go, that’s insane, that’s nuts, you’re no different than I am.

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1 Corinthians 5:1 (NKJV)

It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles—that a man has his father’s wife!

— 1 Corinthians 5:1 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 7:20 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

How should Christians behave?

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Short answer: From Galatians 5 and the Ten Commandments he lists what Christians must avoid, and says Christians are to work, provide for themselves and assemble one day to worship. When we violate these, he says, we invite mockery.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 7:40 And Galatians 5:20 plainly tells us how Christians are supposed to be behaving: no idolatry, no sorcery, no witchcraft, no hatred, no quarreling and jealousies and outburst of anger, selfish ambition, I gotta have it my way or no way, rebellion, heresies, we invent our own doctrines, envy, murders, drunkenness, unlawful sex, whether it’s homosexuality, adultery, incest or whatever. Plus you got the Ten Commandments: thou shall not murder, steal; you’re supposed to honor your parents; you’re not supposed to be greedy; you’re not supposed to lie. And Christians are supposed to work and provide for their own self, and you put one day aside and you assemble in the church to learn about God and worship him. And so when we violate these things, the humanists, they mock us and they laugh at us, because we invite it by our behavior as well as our speech. In James 4:17:

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Galatians 5:19-21 (NKJV)

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

— Galatians 5:19-21 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 7:42

Is Christianity about doing good?

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Short answer: Quoting James 4:17 and 1 Peter 3:10, he says “Christianity is about doing good.” From 1 Peter 2:14 he says we need to be involved in politics and government to promote good.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 8:42 He who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin. Christianity is about doing good. First Peter 3:10: let him refrain his tongue from evil and his tongue from deceit; let him turn from evil and do good; let him seek peace and pursue it. We’re supposed to be people that do good, folks. First Peter 2:14: governors are for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good. And so we need to be involved in politics and in government, because we need to be promoting good, and that’s what Christianity is, it’s good. Now, how do we prevent insane and insult reactions? Many theological doctrines directly hurt no one.

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James 4:17 (NKJV)

Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.

— James 4:17 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 8:42
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1 Peter 3:10-11 (NKJV)

For “He who would love life And see good days, Let him refrain his tongue from evil, And his lips from speaking deceit. Let him turn away from evil and do good; Let him seek peace and pursue it.

— 1 Peter 3:10-11 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 8:50
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1 Peter 2:14 (NKJV)

or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.

— 1 Peter 2:14 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 9:05

What two commandments sum up the Bible?

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Short answer: He says to stop shunning those who disagree with our petty doctrines, because the whole Bible hangs on two commandments: love God, and love your neighbor as yourself. He adds Romans 13 (love does no harm) and Matthew 7:12 (treat others as you would have them treat you).

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 9:37 So let’s stop mistreating and shunning those that disagree with our petty little doctrines. We got more important things to work on. The Bible now is summed up in two doctrines. The Bible says on these two doctrines hang all the law and the prophets, the whole book. Another scripture says it is the law and the prophets. And these two doctrines summarize the Bible, and humanists are wrong when they say the Bible is a bunch of lies, because there’s nothing wrong with these two doctrines. First one is to love God, Matthew 22:40. And Romans 13 tells us that love does no harm to his neighbor, therefore love fulfills the law, and everyone has to agree we should not be harming each other, whether you’re a humanist, an atheist or a Christian. That is a good law, and that sums up the Bible. The next one is love your neighbor as yourself, that’s the second one. And to clarify it, he says in Matthew 7:12, treat others as you would have them treat you.

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Matthew 22:37-40 (NKJV)

Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

— Matthew 22:37-40 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 10:10
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Romans 13:10 (NKJV)

Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

— Romans 13:10 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 10:15
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Matthew 7:12 (NKJV)

Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

— Matthew 7:12 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 10:40

What is love, according to 1 Corinthians 13?

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Short answer: He reads that love is patient and kind, not envious, rude or proud, doesn’t demand its own way, and never gives up. He says Bible morality, doing good, is the priority doctrine, and 1 Corinthians 5:11 deals with harmful behavior, not theology.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 10:45 You don’t want robbed, don’t rob. You don’t want people talking bad about you, don’t talk about bad about other people, you see. And how can anyone fault that issue? First Corinthians 13 clarifies love: patience; love is kind; it’s not envious; it’s not rude; it’s not proud; it doesn’t brag about itself; doesn’t promote evil; doesn’t think evil; is not eagerly angered, easily angered; and it doesn’t demand its own way. Here it is again, I want my way. And it never quits; love never gives up. So the bottom line is, Bible morality, doing good, is the priority doctrine of the Bible and what the Bible is all about. First Corinthians 5:11 says if there’s a brother who claims to be a Christian and he is sexually immoral, he’s greedy, he’s a, he’s an idolater, a drunkard, an extortioner, don’t keep company with him. You say, there is no theology listed here, just harmful behavior by believers, how we’re supposed to react to believers who are sinning, so that they can correct themselves.

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1 Corinthians 13:4-7 (NKJV)

Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

— 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 10:55
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1 Corinthians 5:11 (NKJV)

But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.

— 1 Corinthians 5:11 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 11:40

How should Christians respond to being mocked?

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Short answer: He says civil government is there to punish evildoers and honor the good, not to enforce theology, and God will deal with spiritual things. His conclusion: speak and behave so as not to invite mockery, and respond with love.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 12:09 No theology at all. Romans 13 again says civil penalty of evildoers: the civil government’s there to penalize evildoers, to punish them for correction, not theology, and they’re there to honor the good. God and spiritual things, God can and will deal with them. And the conclusion is this: we need as Christians to speak and behave in a manner that doesn’t invite these things, and respond with love to love violators. That’s the way of our Creator.

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Romans 13:3-4 (NKJV)

For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.

— Romans 13:3-4 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 12:10

More questions this message answers

Short answers drawn only from what he says in this message, each with the moment in the video.

When was the fourth awakening he describes?

He says 1948 through 1980, when the Holy Spirit was poured out, miracles happened and praise and worship came into the church.

▶ Watch at 0:52

What does he say happened in the 1960s?

He says the Bible, prayer and Jesus were put out of public places and schools, replaced by the sexual revolution and evolution.

▶ Watch at 0:52

What does he say replaced the Holy Spirit’s power in the 1990s?

He names psychology, entertainment, the seeker-friendly church and intellectual reasoning.

▶ Watch at 2:14

What does 1 Corinthians 14 say about speech in church?

He says unless you speak words easy to understand, people will say you are out of your mind.

▶ Watch at 2:14

Scripture (NKJV)

Therefore if the whole church comes together in one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those who are uninformed or unbelievers, will they not say that you are out of your mind?

— 1 Corinthians 14:23 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 3:15

What does he say about “once saved, always saved”?

He says you don’t get something for nothing; you got to back up your salvation with proper behavior.

▶ Watch at 3:23

What is wrong with “just pray” for a job or healing?

He says praying without getting a job skill or education, or without medicine and doctors, is insane talk.

▶ Watch at 4:19

What does he say about tongues without interpretation?

He says First Corinthians plainly says people are going to think you’re nuts.

▶ Watch at 5:21

Which doctrines does he say Christians should stop fighting over?

He lists water baptism, tongues, worship, the second coming, anointing, women in the ministry, hair, clothing and jewelry, which he says hurt nobody.

▶ Watch at 6:25

Should Christians be involved in politics?

He says yes, because governors are for punishing evildoers and praising those who do good, and Christians need to be promoting good.

▶ Watch at 8:42

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or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.

— 1 Peter 2:14 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 9:05

What is the golden rule?

He quotes Matthew 7:12, treat others as you would have them treat you: if you don’t want to be robbed, don’t rob.

▶ Watch at 9:37

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Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

— Matthew 7:12 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 10:40

How should the church treat a believer living in sin?

From 1 Corinthians 5:11 he says don’t keep company with them, so that they can correct themselves.

▶ Watch at 10:45

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But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.

— 1 Corinthians 5:11 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 11:40

About this transcript

This transcript comes from YouTube’s automatic English captions, which supply the timing and the words. Punctuation, capitalization and paragraphing were added by hand, and obvious caption errors were corrected; his wording was not rewritten. “[unclear]” marks a word or name that was not clear. Editor note: the captions give “the evolution of slavery,” read here as the abolition of slavery, and “pre and pro-civil war,” read as pre- and post-Civil War; a test he names is garbled in the captions and shown as [unclear]. He names “Matthew 22:40” for loving God (the commandments are in Matthew 22:37-40), cites Galatians 5:20 for a list that runs through Galatians 5:19-21, and quotes Jesus’ “sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you” (John 5:14) without naming it. He says “In God We Trust” was put on money in 1954 and “under God” in the pledge in 1956; published sources give 1954 for the pledge and 1956-57 for the motto. He names authors who predicted Christ’s return (LaHaye and “Smith of Calvary Chapel”), and he criticizes teachings such as once saved always saved, faith-only prosperity and healing without doctors, date-setting, tongues without interpretation, and false healings; these are his own views and are kept as spoken. Select any time to jump to that moment on YouTube.

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