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· · Pastor David G. Kincer, Vine Cluster Church · Uploaded January 18, 2023 · 2:38

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From the sermonWas There A Beginning Before Genesis? · Pastor David G. Kincer▶ 0:00

A short clip gathering scriptures that point to a beginning before Genesis 1: Christ the beginning, the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, and believers chosen in Him before it.

Was there a beginning before Genesis 1?

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Short answer: Yes—Jesus is the beginning and the end, the beginning of the creation of God.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 0:00 We have found scriptural evidence that there was a beginning before Genesis 1 beginning when God created the heavens and the earth we found in the scriptures that Jesus said I am the beginning and I am the end I am the first and I am the last all these are found in Revelations. These things says the amen the faithful and true witness the beginning of the creation of God Jesus was the beginning his birth foretold his death foretold for the sins of the world at the very beginning of creation in Colossians chapter 1 he says Christ is the head of the body the church who is the beginning.

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Revelation 22:13 (NKJV)

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

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Revelation 3:14 (NKJV)

“And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, ‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God:

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Colossians 1:18 (NKJV)

And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

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What was decided before the foundation of the world?

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Short answer: The Lamb slain; Christ predetermined to die for our sins, revealed in these last times.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 1:05 Again in Revelations the lamb was slain from the foundation of the world also in Matthew 13 I shall declare things hidden before the foundation of the world. And again in first Peter 1:18. You were redeemed with the precious blood of Christ a lamb without blemish without spot. Who truly was predetermined before the foundation of the world before the foundation before the creation of the world he was predetermined to come and die for our sins he was made plain, made manifest in these last times to us.

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Revelation 13:8 (NKJV)

All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

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Matthew 13:35 (NKJV)

that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying: “I will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things kept secret from the foundation of the world.”

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1 Peter 1:18-20 (NKJV)

knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you

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Were we chosen before then?

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Short answer: God chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world, and the Father loved Jesus then.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 1:57 He God chose us in him Christ. Before the foundation of the world Ephesians 1:4. And in John 17:24 Jesus was praying to the father and said father you loved me before the foundation of the world so there was a beginning before the Genesis 1 beginning and we have solid scriptural evidence of that.

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Ephesians 1:4 (NKJV)

just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,

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John 17:24 (NKJV)

“Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.

— John 17:24 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 1:57 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

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What did Jesus call Himself?

The beginning and the end, the first and the last.

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What does Colossians 1 call Christ?

The head of the body, the church, who is the beginning.

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Was His birth and death foretold at the beginning?

Yes, at the very beginning of creation.

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When was the Lamb slain?

From the foundation of the world.

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What did Matthew 13 declare?

Things hidden from the foundation of the world.

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With what were we redeemed?

The precious blood of Christ.

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When did God choose us?

Before the foundation of the world.

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When did the Father love Jesus?

Before the foundation of the world.

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