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From the sermonWas the U.S. Supreme Court Fully Right About Studying The Bible? · Pastor David G. Kincer▶ 0:00

In this message Pastor David G. Kincer reviews the 1980 Supreme Court line (quoting 1963) that the Bible may be used in studying history, civilization, ethics and comparative religion, then asks what the Court missed: Jesus, eternal life, last-day judgment, the spirit world and true happiness. He applies 2 Peter’s “add to your faith” to civil crime, defines just government’s purpose, and cites midwives, Daniel, the apostles and John the Baptist as models for standing against unjust laws including Roe v. Wade and same-sex marriage.

What did the 1980 Supreme Court say about studying the Bible?

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Short answer: He says the 1980 decision, quoting 1963—two witnesses—declared the Bible may constitutionally be used in appropriate study of history, civilization, ethics (Bible morality), comparative religions, or the like.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 0:00 Today we’re going to ask this question: was the United States Supreme Court fully right about the constitutional right to study the Bible? We’re going to remind you of the 1980 Supreme Court decision that quoted from a 1963 Supreme Court decision—so thus two witnesses confirming. And this is what the Supreme Court said: the Bible may constitutionally be used in an appropriate study of history, civilization, ethics—what we know as morality, Bible morality—comparative religions, or the like. The Supreme Court thusly said it is constitutionally legal.

How does he say the Bible covers history, civilization and ethics?

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Short answer: He says Scripture records over 4,000 years from creation to 100 A.D., civilizations from pre-flood through Rome and Canaan’s peoples, and Bible morality summing Exodus through the prophets; comparative religion contrasts one holy God with sects and idolatry.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 0:58 History in the Bible: it’s true from creation to 100 A.D., or over 4,000 years of history. Civilization: the pre-flood civilizations to Abraham and the Hebrews, to the Assyrians, the Syrians, the Persians, the Greeks, the Roman Empire, and all the other civilizations that came with it—all the Canaanites and all the “-ites” in Canaan land. We have a recorded history of civilization. Ethics: as we have shown you, Bible morality sums up all the law—Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy and the prophets. Comparing religion: the Bible’s one holy God versus a sect, a group out of that group, and the doctrines of men which create sect groups in groups, and then idolatry,

What did the Court miss about Jesus?

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Short answer: From Luke 24:44 he says the Law, Prophets and Psalms concern Jesus—Exodus through Malachi and the Psalms wrote about Him—so Jesus is the first thing the Court’s list missed.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 1:59 devils, the worship of devils, witchcraft, and animism—which is a spirit is in the rocks and the trees and everything—and even the evolutionists say that humans are part of nature. Now, what did the Supreme Court miss? See, they gave us these things, but what did they miss and just told us to deal with it? Well, Jesus, number one. And Luke 24:44: all things must be fulfilled which are written in the law of Moses and the prophets and the Psalms concerning Me. So Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Isaiah, Jeremiah down to Malachi and all the prophets in between wrote about Jesus, and 150 Psalms wrote about Jesus.

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Luke 24:44 (NKJV)

Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.”

— Luke 24:44 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 2:10

What about eternal life and last-day judgment?

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Short answer: From John 5:39 he says the Scriptures testify of Jesus, the door to eternal life. From Matthew 12:36 and Revelation 20:12 he says idle words and works are recorded for judgment—the Court overlooked that.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 2:55 Eternal life. John 5:39: search the Scriptures, the Bible; in them you think you have eternal life, and they testify of Me. The Scriptures tell us about life after death. And you won’t come to Me that you might have life. So not only is there eternal life, but the door to eternal life is Jesus Christ. The last-day judgment they overlooked. Matthew 12:36: every idle word men shall speak they will give an account in the day of judgment—and thus just idle words. But in Revelation 20:12, at the great white throne judgment, they were judged according to their works, their behavior, written in the books. God’s keeping a record of our speech and of our behavior.

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John 5:39 (NKJV)

You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.

— John 5:39 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 2:55
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Matthew 12:36 (NKJV)

But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.

— Matthew 12:36 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 3:20
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Revelation 20:12 (NKJV)

And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.

— Revelation 20:12 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 3:30

Who judges, and what spirit world does the Bible describe?

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Short answer: John 5:22: the Father gives all judgment to the Son. He says the Court also missed God as Spirit, the Holy Spirit, ministering angels, cherubim and seraphim, demons and Satan.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 3:47 In John 5:22, the Father judges no one but gives all judgment to the Son. So Jesus is what the Bible talks about. Jesus is the door to eternal life, and Jesus is the one we are going to have to give an account to of the words that we speak and the lifestyle that we lead. They also missed that the Bible talks about the spirit world. For instance, God is a Spirit, an invisible Spirit; the Holy Spirit is a Spirit; angels are ministering spirits; cherubim and seraphim are creatures of the spirit world; demons and Satan are spirits.

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John 5:22 (NKJV)

For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,

— John 5:22 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 3:47

What does the Bible say about happiness the Court missed?

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Short answer: From Psalm 144:15, happy is the people whose God is the Lord; John 16:22, joy no one can take; Acts 5:41, apostles rejoicing after being beaten—joy circumstances cannot take away.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 4:42 Witchcraft: except for drugs and witchcraft of the flesh, the Bible says there’s three sources of witchcraft, but one of them source is demonic. The next thing they missed is happiness. Everybody is looking for happiness, and the Bible says in Psalms 144:15, happy is the people whose God is the Lord. John 16:22: Jesus summed it up and says your joy, your happiness, no one can take from you. That’s how powerful it is in the Bible. Acts 5:41: we have proof of that. The apostles were beaten, and after they were beaten they departed rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for His name. So we actually see a fulfillment of joy that people could not take away and circumstances could not take away.

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Psalm 144:15 (NKJV)

Happy are the people who are in such a state; Happy are the people whose God is the LORD!

— Psalm 144:15 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 4:50
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John 16:22 (NKJV)

Therefore you now have sorrow; but I will see you again and your heart will rejoice, and your joy no one will take from you.

— John 16:22 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 5:00
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Acts 5:41 (NKJV)

So they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for His name.

— Acts 5:41 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 5:10

How does the Declaration tie to Bible happiness and escaping judgment?

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Short answer: He reads life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as a right to Bible happiness, then says escaping the lake of fire means faith in Jesus, confessing sin, repenting, water baptism, and adding virtue to faith—even for humanists and atheists.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 5:36 Now the Declaration of Independence, by the way, gives us the right to Bible happiness. “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men were created equal,” and they were endowed by their Creator with certain unchangeable rights, and among these rights are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Happy is the people whose God is the Lord—a joy that no situation and nobody can take away. Another thing they missed is how to escape the lake of fire judgment. We’ve told you this before: I believe and have faith in Jesus. You’ve got to admit you’re wrong, confess your sin, confess your crimes. You’ve got to repent and turn from those wrong. You’ve got to be baptized in water. And then you need to grow. Growing to this aspect: you’ve got to add to your faith. I don’t care if you’re a humanist or an atheist—whatever you believe in, you have no excuse not to add to your faith virtue or moral excellence

What must you add to your faith, and what is the promise?

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Short answer: He lists moral excellence, knowledge, self-control, patience, godliness and love that does no harm. From 2 Peter 1:10, if you do these things you will never fall—responsibility after you’re saved.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 6:42 and knowledge about moral excellence, and self-control that you behave moral excellently, and patience with yourself and others while they’re attaining moral excellence, godliness—that’s such a respect for God that you obey His moral word—and a love that does no harm to his neighbor. We have to add these things because we didn’t get them when we were saved. 2 Peter 1:10 is where these “add to your faith” come from, and Peter said there, if you do these things you will never, never fall. So see, we’ve got to add these things. It’s our responsibility to add moral excellence and the knowledge of it and self-control and patience to our life.

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2 Peter 1:10 (NKJV)

Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble;

— 2 Peter 1:10 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 7:10

How do these principles apply to civil crime?

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Short answer: Sin violates God’s law; crime violates a nation’s law. James 5:19: turning a sinner from error saves a soul from death. 1 Peter 2:13: submit to every ordinance for the Lord’s sake.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 7:36 Now these same principles will work in civil crimes. Sin is a violation of God’s law; crime is a violation of a nation’s law—same word, same terminology. In James 5:19 it says if anyone wanders from the truth, he who turns a sinner, a criminal, from the error of his way shall save a soul from death. And so the objective is to turn that criminal from their way and save them from a physical death possibly here, or physical destruction, and especially eternal destruction. 1 Peter chapter 2:13: submit to every ordinance, every law of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme, or to governors as those who are sent by the king for the punishment

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James 5:19-20 (NKJV)

Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.

— James 5:19-20 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 7:45
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1 Peter 2:13 (NKJV)

Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme,

— 1 Peter 2:13 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 8:10

What is the Bible purpose of just government?

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Short answer: From 1 Peter 2 he says government punishes those who harm others and themselves, corrects criminals toward a moral life, and removes from society those who refuse to change.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 8:28 of evildoers and the praise of those that do good. And so civil government is designed to correct the criminal, to turn them from the error of their ways. To sum it up: the Bible purpose of a just government is to punish those that harm others and themselves, and the purpose of punishment is to correct the criminals so they may lead a good moral life, and if they refuse to be corrected, remove them from society. If they refuse to change their ways they shouldn’t be allowed to hurt people anymore. Again, these same principles work in civil crimes, the civil world.

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1 Peter 2:14 (NKJV)

or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.

— 1 Peter 2:14 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 8:28

What if the law or officials are bad?

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Short answer: He first says believe in a just system, admit crime is wrong, add moral excellence and obey just laws—but then asks what to do when law or officials are bad.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 9:22 We must believe and have faith in a just judicial system and its officials. We must admit that crime is wrong. We must turn from that which is wrong and add to our faith moral excellence, the knowledge of moral excellence, self-control so we can operate moral excellence, patience while we’re getting there—or to ourself and others—and a respect for government, a just government, to obey just laws, and love others by not harming them. And if the criminal will not change, they’ve got to be removed from society. What do we do when the law or officials are bad?

Who stood against bad slave and related laws in America?

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Short answer: He cites Declaration signers’ losses, [unclear] Lee imprisoned 25 years, Jonathan Walker branded “slave stealer,” Quakers from 1678, and Thomas Garrett fined heavily yet still helping slaves.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 10:27 We need to do good, like people did when the slave laws and the Indian laws and the separate-but-equal laws and the women-inferior laws were bad. Remember the signers of the Declaration of Independence: 12 of them lost their homes, they were burned to the ground; nine died in the war of independence; five were captured and tortured mercilessly. They paid a price for taking a stand for what was right. A person by the name of [unclear] Lee was imprisoned 25 years for helping slaves escape. Jonathan Walker was branded with SS on his hand—“slave stealer”—by, in court, a burning on an iron. He was scarred for life and fined and imprisoned. Quakers were the first in 1678 to stand up against slavery and against women inferiority, and it took over a hundred years of them preaching it and living it for America to finally catch on. Other people were fined. Thomas Garrett was fined $165,000 in today’s money and kept on helping slaves.

What Bible examples of civil disobedience does he give?

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Short answer: Hebrew midwives would not abort babies; Daniel prayed when prayer was banned; the apostles kept preaching Jesus despite censorship, saying obey God rather than man. He applies that to standing against Roe v. Wade.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 11:41 So we’ve got to disobey laws and stand up against corrupt officials that want to enforce them. In the Bible the midwives would not abort Hebrew babies, and God saw that act and blessed them with a family of their own. He did good to them for not aborting babies. And we have a right to stand up against Roe versus Wade and the abortion of babies because adults lack self-control. Daniel prayed when the law said you can’t pray. When the law was passed he went and prayed publicly, and he was sentenced to be executed in the lion’s den, and God intervened. The apostles who rejected the censorship of the Scriptures and speech—they said don’t you talk about Jesus from the Scriptures anymore—they were beaten, they were killed and they were jailed, and they said whether we ought to obey God or man, you decide.

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Exodus 1:17 (NKJV)

But the midwives feared God, and did not do as the king of Egypt commanded them, but saved the male children alive.

— Exodus 1:17 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 11:45 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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Daniel 6:10 (NKJV)

Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went home. And in his upper room, with his windows open toward Jerusalem, he knelt down on his knees three times that day, and prayed and gave thanks before his God, as was his custom since early days.

— Daniel 6:10 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 12:10 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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Acts 5:29 (NKJV)

But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: “We ought to obey God rather than men.

— Acts 5:29 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 12:25 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

Why does he mention John the Baptist and same-sex marriage?

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Short answer: He says John was beheaded for preaching repentance and baptism and for disapproving Herod’s marriage to his brother’s wife, and that America likewise has a right to stand against same-sex marriage and for right morality.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 12:34 John the Baptist was beheaded because he preached salvation of repentance and water baptism, and he publicly disapproved of Herod’s marriage to his brother’s wife. And we have a right to stand against same-sex marriage in America. We need to do what other good people did both in the Bible and in our nation’s history and stand for right laws and stand for right morality in America.

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Mark 6:18 (NKJV)

Because John had said to Herod, “It is not lawful for you to have your brother’s wife.”

— Mark 6:18 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 12:40 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

More questions this message answers

Short answers drawn only from what he says in this message, each with the moment in the video.

Why does he call 1980 and 1963 “two witnesses”?

He says the 1980 decision quoted the 1963 decision, so two witnesses confirm the Bible may be used in those studies.

▶ Watch at 0:00

What is animism as he defines it?

He says animism is the idea that a spirit is in the rocks and the trees and everything, and links evolutionists saying humans are part of nature.

▶ Watch at 1:59

Who is the door to eternal life?

He says not only is there eternal life, but the door to eternal life is Jesus Christ.

▶ Watch at 2:55

Scripture (NKJV)

You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.

— John 5:39 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 2:55

Will idle words be judged?

From Matthew 12:36 he says every idle word will be accounted for in the day of judgment, and Revelation 20:12 judges works written in the books.

▶ Watch at 2:55

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But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.

— Matthew 12:36 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 3:20

How many sources of witchcraft does he mention?

He says the Bible gives three sources of witchcraft, one of them demonic, besides drugs and witchcraft of the flesh.

▶ Watch at 4:42

What does 2 Peter 1:10 promise?

He says if you do these things—add to your faith—you will never, never fall.

▶ Watch at 6:42

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Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble;

— 2 Peter 1:10 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 7:10

What is the difference between sin and crime?

He says sin is a violation of God’s law; crime is a violation of a nation’s law—same word, same terminology.

▶ Watch at 7:36

What is the purpose of punishment?

He says to correct criminals so they may lead a good moral life, and if they refuse, remove them from society so they can’t hurt people anymore.

▶ Watch at 8:28

Who was Jonathan Walker in his account?

He says Walker was branded SS—“slave stealer”—with a burning iron in court, scarred for life, fined and imprisoned.

▶ Watch at 10:27

How does he link the Hebrew midwives to Roe v. Wade?

He says the midwives would not abort Hebrew babies and God blessed them, so we have a right to stand against Roe v. Wade because adults lack self-control.

▶ Watch at 11:41

About this transcript

This transcript comes from YouTube’s automatic English captions, which supply the timing and the words. Punctuation, capitalization and paragraphing were added by hand, and obvious caption errors were corrected; his wording was not rewritten. “[unclear]” marks a word or name that was not clear. Sensitive: abortion/Roe v. Wade, same-sex marriage, slavery and Indian laws, evolution, witchcraft, humanists/atheists—kept as spoken. Caption fixes: sex→sect; roman empower→Roman Empire; terrorism seraphims→cherubim and seraphim; air→error; Ii Peter→2 Peter; harn→iron. “Robert Lee” (25 years for helping slaves) marked [unclear] Lee—name unverified. Signer casualty figures, Quaker 1678 claim, Thomas Garrett $165k fine, Jonathan Walker branding are his history and not checked here. Stone v. Graham framing as broad Bible-study approval flagged for Michael. Select any time to jump to that moment on YouTube.

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