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Turn Away From Opposing Arguments 12/16/2018: full transcript and answers
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Pastor David G. Kincer applies 1 Timothy 6:20 to opposing arguments of science falsely so called, from Piltdown man to the 1970s ice-age scare, and shows Bible truths science later confirmed. God’s own method is observation and witnesses, and eternal life is knowing God and being made a new creature.
What does 1 Timothy 6:20 warn against?
Short answer: Avoid profane and vain babblings and oppositions of science falsely so called. He gives the Supreme Court once deciding blacks were property as an example of improper talk.
▶ 0:00 We’re gonna go to first Timothy 6:20 turn away from improper worthless talk now who would want to disagree with that. May I entertain it let me give you an example of improper immoral. Profane talk. In 1840s the Supreme Court of the united states of America decided that blacks were not human beings. That they were just property could be bought and sold at will. Okay. How do you know that just is very immoral it it do unto others as you would have them do unto you we don’t want to be treated like that we shouldn’t treat anybody like that and why the church in any way shape or form would ever.
Scripture in this part
1 Timothy 6:20 (NKJV)
O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge—
— 1 Timothy 6:20 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 0:00What does the Bible say about the races?
Short answer: God has made all nations of one blood, Christ died for all of them, and every kindred, tribe, tongue and nation is represented in heaven.
▶ 0:58 Even consider. Anybody being in slavery and any human being not being human is people that don’t really read their Bible God has made all nations out of what one blood. Hallelujah and he died for how many nations all of them and how many nations are represented up in heaven and Revelations all of them every kindred tribe tongue and nation see that’s just immoral. Horrible talk why even entertain it but people do today and churches do today worthless talk worthless talk is saying that homosexuals pedophiles those that want to have sex with kids. Alcoholics criminals are born that way so they’re justified doing what they do and we’re supposed to pay their medical and we’re supposed to pay all the fees that they rack up from their choice of bad behavior see they say they were born that way instead of a quiet.
Scripture in this part
Acts 17:26 (NKJV)
And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,
— Acts 17:26 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 0:58Revelation 7:9 (NKJV)
After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
— Revelation 7:9 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 0:58How do opponents define faith?
Short answer: They define faith as denying observation so belief can be preserved without investigation. That is not the definition; and he says denying medicine is twisting Scripture—Jesus said the sick need a physician.
▶ 2:13 You really acquire sin you weren’t born to sin you learn to do it in that right yes that’s saying our creator did not know what he was doing and yet churches accept that because it’s popular. So that’s improper talk and worthless talk but we’re gonna focus on opposing arguments. Conflicting arguments of what is falsely called science all right. Here I went to the secular science website and I got this picture and here is their statement this is their statement a secular science adjusts its views based on what’s observed and investigated all right faith talking about the Bible and the church.
▶ 3:09 They is the faith is that in the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved without any investigation you see they dreamed up their own definition of faith that is not the definition of faith definition of faith is a belief in God or doctrines of a religion or something doesn’t have to be a religion belief without any proof okay. Now. And we have churches that had believed crazy stuff like the catholics in 1 until 1992 that they agreed that the earth. Was not the center of the universe that the sun was because one of their pope said the earth was the center of the universe and popes are infallible you know give me a break yeah are you there and so the church does some weird thing I grew up to a an era in the church where if you want anything you have to believe for it and so you got to confess it so if you’re prayed for to be sick you got to believe and if you didn’t get healed it was because you didn’t believe and if you have any kind of negative confession or take medicine you know don’t have to go the doctor don’t have to take medicine you know then you don’t have faith so.
▶ 4:39 You’re not gonna get here and I I grew up through that looney stuff just you know Jesus said they that are sick need a what I mean the king of king said that folks do we have any right twisted in the scriptures like that and kids have died from parents withholding medicine and it still happens once or twice a year today but back there it happened a lot all right and people died because they wouldn’t go the doctor because of these faith preachers preaching. They died before their Time and so we do have weirdos in the church but that doesn’t make the rest of the church that way does it yeah but let’s look over here at science they adjust their views based on observed an investigation all right the Piltdown man was discovered in 1910 and these.
Scripture in this part
Matthew 9:12 (NKJV)
When Jesus heard that, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick.
— Matthew 9:12 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 4:39What was Piltdown man?
Short answer: A man constructed from a few bones in 1912 and taught until 1953, until they found some bones were from an orangutan and a chimpanzee. Science missed it, as with Lucy.
▶ 5:42 Are the bones that they built this man from this was in the London news in 1912 here is the Piltdown man constructed from these bones and boy don’t that sound mad science they really got it together they can figure out what a man looks like and how tall he is and all the rest from just a few bones wow and so. Until 19 and 53 this was taught in public schools and in public media in fact I remember it being taught all right the missing link science yeah well in 1953 some other scientists began to take a look at these bones they found they had been died to make it look like they were old they found the teeth were ground down on the jawbone to make it look like human teeth and anyway and other things were done to adjust it to make it look like and see science bases the missing link on a small brain compared to our brain today and so they had to get this cranial structure down.
▶ 7:08 All right they found out that some of the bones were from orangutan and a chimpanzee and some are just human bones and they verified it and you know they kept teaching that for several more years. Yeah now if science is so powerful their views and their investigation really missed it when you say do you know they did the same thing with Lucy have you ever heard of Lucy oh yeah that wound up being a fraud so science secular science don’t give me your baloney about you guys change your views you try to change everybody else’s view by distorting facts could that be an amen now. Global cooling they noticed the scientists did from 1940 to 1970 that the earth temperature went down and I lived through this one all right and so.
What does the 1970s ice-age scare show?
Short answer: Time magazine in 1972 warned how to survive the coming ice age, blaming factories and deforestation. Science predictions can be wrong.
▶ 8:11 They started predicting the ice age and here it is Time magazine 1972 how to survive the coming ice age all right I mean they really hit this and everybody got on this panic thing about the ice age the glaciers were coming down and they said it was the smoke from the factories blocking the sun rays and the deforestation of the plants you know we’re causing all of this temperature to go down they had to reason then all of a sudden temperatures started going up and guess what yeah lobo are me now so tell me about their views now I’m gonna ask this question. First we’ll define science secular definition of science is the knowledge of the natural world through observation and investigation I submit to you that’s a knowledge of the spirit world also but the stewart world isn’t natural so you can’t use natural rules you got other use spiritual rules alright.
Did the Bible know scientific truths before science?
Short answer: Yes. Science credits Copernicus around 1475 for observing the earth held up by nothing, but Job said God hangs the earth upon nothing thousands of years earlier.
▶ 9:16 So the question is does scientific truth oppose reveal truth or the Bible we’re not going to talk about other religions we’re going to talk about our religion which comes from the Bible is that fair so does the Bible oppose. Scientific truth not false science but real science now in 500 bc our secular science today gives the Greeks credit for investigating and observing and coming to a conclusion that the earth is round okay and they brag about that science yeah all right but in 700 plus bc in Isaiah 40:22 he sits on the circle of the earth. Hundreds of years before Isaiah knew the earth was around so scientific truth does not oppose Bible truth does it okay let’s look at another one and.
▶ 10:20 1475 ad Copernicus credited was credited by secular science today for observing the earth was held up by nothing wow. That was you know just 500 years ago less than 500 years ago or so in 2000 bc Job. Said he hanged the earth upon nothing I. Mean the Bible truth spoke of this way before secular science figured it out but they would never believe the Bible so observed equals the Bible they’re the same in 1580 ad bernard credited by science for observing the water cycle 2000 bc Job again and 36:27 God makes small the drops of water they pour down rain according to the vapor there of which the clouds do drop back down and distill up on men well.
Scripture in this part
Job 26:7 (NKJV)
He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing.
— Job 26:7 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 10:20Did the Bible know the life is in the blood?
Short answer: Science credited Harvey around 1620 with showing blood is necessary for life; Leviticus said the life of the flesh is in the blood about 1500 BC.
▶ 11:29 Look at that thirty five hundred years before secular science figured it out Job knew are you there and so did anybody the read read their Bible and believed it now and sixteen twenty ad Harvey was credited for observing the blood that the blood is necessary for life. 1500 bce Leviticus 17:11 the life of the flesh is in the blood again the Bible’s revealed truth it was equal to secular science physical proof. So we see there’s no opposition and I could use other examples between observed. Investigated truths and Bible truths that are.
Scripture in this part
Leviticus 17:11 (NKJV)
For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’
— Leviticus 17:11 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 11:29Does God have a scientific method?
Short answer: Yes. Every matter shall be established by two or three witnesses, and prove all things. He says he got saved by trying God’s formula after a year of listening.
▶ 12:22 Investigated and observed Bible truth is not a denial of observation and investigation truth but a confirmation just give it Time and you will find that science will come up to the Bible could have en amen yes. Now. God has a scientific method he invented it back in 3500 years ago in Deuteronomy 19:15 all manners how many matters all matters shall be established by two or three investigated. Eyewitnesses. Investigated observed a false witness found by investigation shall be punished with the punishment intended for the one falsely accused if you take someone to court and you lie about it they examine you find out there’s evidence isn’t there then you will be treated like you wanted that person to be treated boy that would reduce a lot of lawsuits win it yeah yeah so see they credit themselves for coming up with the scientific method but God came up with it.
▶ 13:39 Thousands of years ago and in first Thessalonians it says in 5:21 prove all things investigate and find out the truth about everything amen that’s how I got saved I got saved on the scientific method I found he said in church for a year listening and all this and finally I said well I’m gonna try you see if you know a formula you got to exercise it you can’t say it’s not real and still you investigate it experience it and when I went to that altar and that guy led me through the scriptures to repent of my sins showing me I was a sinner and I repented and all that then God forgave me and I told you before that load of sin lifted I didn’t even know and God came into my life we called that being born again okay but first Peter tells us that we’re born again of the word also so the more you get into the word the more you want grow.
Scripture in this part
Deuteronomy 19:15 (NKJV)
“One witness shall not rise against a man concerning any iniquity or any sin that he commits; by the mouth of two or three witnesses the matter shall be established.
— Deuteronomy 19:15 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 12:221 Thessalonians 5:21 (NKJV)
Test all things; hold fast what is good.
— 1 Thessalonians 5:21 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 13:39What did Elisha’s servant observe?
Short answer: When the enemy army surrounded them, God opened the servant’s eyes and he saw the mountain full of horses and chariots of fire—observation of the spirit world.
▶ 14:38 Yeah born again means brought forth how many know you don’t want to stay a baby and I write you need to keep growing yes yes yes now. Let’s look at observation real quick here all right in second Kings 6:17 and Elijah and his servant woke up one morning and found that the enemy’s army was all around them to capture them and kill them and the servant got panicky and said master oh what we gonna do. He says our son Lord open his eyes and so the Lord opened his eyes and he saw these chariots all around the enemy that come to fight for Elijah and his servant they saw the spirit world going to the New Testament Jesus went up to the mountain and he was transfigured his fleshly body that would die was changed into his heavenly body right there bam now why did God do that because that’s those of us who are alive and remain our mortal.
Scripture in this part
2 Kings 6:17 (NKJV)
And Elisha prayed, and said, “LORD, I pray, open his eyes that he may see.” Then the LORD opened the eyes of the young man, and he saw. And behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.
— 2 Kings 6:17 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 14:38What did Peter, James and John see?
Short answer: They saw Jesus transfigured, with Moses and Elijah alive. Blessed are those who believe without seeing, but God also lets people observe.
▶ 15:51 Body decaying body is going to be changed into a immortal body just like that are you there. Aren’t you glad these illustrations are in the Bible yes. So James John and Peter saw Jesus transfigured transformed into his heavenly authority his heavenly being and this is where the Jesus only people just really messed this up all right. Was Jesus in the Old Testament at the right hand of the father yea we taught you that a year or so ago alright. But he came into a human body. Which could die so then Moses and Elijah appeared.
▶ 16:46 Now what a God do that to show you that people are alive in heaven like you’re gonna be alive in him are you there yes confirmation then see they had their eyes open to observe it and see it not just Jesus telling them they got to observe it and see it but remember the Bible says more blessed are they that believe that have not seen you don’t have to see anything for the power of the word to touch your life now we go over here to Luke 16 the rich man and the poor man Lazarus got to see hell and heaven and the space in between that no one can pass over they got to see it they observed it little late for the rich man then over here in 1st Corinthians 15:6 500 people at one Time saw the resurrected Christ and folks this pit here is it’s not the right picture the reason we will recognize Christ when we see him is the nell scarred hands the battered body the beaten body the scars and the from the thorns and the beard plucked out and him beaten and all that that’s the body that’s how we’re gonna know that’s the lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world but we’d like to decorate Jesus and to his heavenly being.
Scripture in this part
Matthew 17:2-3 (NKJV)
and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light. And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
— Matthew 17:2-3 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 15:51John 20:29 (NKJV)
Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
— John 20:29 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 16:46Who observed the resurrected Jesus?
Short answer: Over 500 people saw Him. Secular scientists weren’t there; they must use the Bible and history, and they saw the apostles’ changed lives.
▶ 18:18 But when we see him that’s how we’re gonna know him by that beaten body all right marred more than any man so 500 and then other people got to seem to so my point is this secular scientists weren’t there to observe and investigate these accounts of seeing the spirit world. They must use the Bible and other historical records. And believe me folks they weren’t there to see the big bang either. Yeah. Now. Continuing with the resurrection this is what it’s all about it’s all about life after death when they heard possible’s down there preaching then on and they preached Christ crucified and risen again and when they got to Christ being raised from the dead when they heard of the resurrection of the dead some mocked now that’s the secular scientists today they mark they laughed but they don’t investigate and they don’t observe seek God to observe and see these men were different men these men.
▶ 19:38 They didn’t drink they didn’t take drugs they weren’t high and all that they didn’t go out on their wives they didn’t abuse their kids these men were changed into the righteousness of the resurrected savior they could observe these men’s life not just the message they saw the lifestyle was different are you with me they saw that they had laid aside the religious messages and their religious ideas they saw this but they would not accept it and investigate it so they mocked it but some said we’ll hear you again we want to hear more we want to investigate more we want to see more I was like that took me a year God trying to draw me to him to finally do it all right I needed to hear more but certain ones believed and joined they united with Paul and followed Christ they had heard enough they had seen enough and they wanted this new creature that these apostles had through Jesus Christ in that beautiful alright so.
Scripture in this part
1 Corinthians 15:6 (NKJV)
After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep.
— 1 Corinthians 15:6 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 18:18Why did the priests and Sadducees oppose the apostles?
Short answer: Grieved that they preached the resurrection through Jesus, they arrested them. They heard but never investigated, because when your heart is for yourself you reject Christ.
▶ 20:53 You got to understand this is in Acts 17. The news of the resurrection and the news of this Jesus and the news of this church in Jerusalem had spread throughout the known civilization at this Time so it isn’t like they never heard this stuff but will go back to Acts 4:1 when all this happened all right the secular priest you say preacher well you call him secular because the Sadducees did not believe in spirits they didn’t believe in angels they didn’t believe in life after death and they didn’t believe in the resurrection you see they believed in secular stuff non-spiritual secular is non spiritual. So these secular priests how can priests be secular it’s simple you’re there for the money in the position it’s not difficult to figure that out you’re not there to meet with God and know God the captain of the temple he was the one that headed up the enforcement officers in the temple he was probably the one that went to and when he was the one that went to arrest the apostles when they were caught preaching on Jesus in the garden he was there he’s seen the ear cut off and put back on those men fall when Jesus said I am and he’s seen all this are you with me and he was there at the crucifixion.
▶ 22:18 To make sure this guy died and the Sadducees the same thing they experienced all of this it was there right in front of him. But being grieved that they preached through Jesus the resurrection from the dead they arrested them and put him in jail you see even though they heard they never investigated they never tried they never pursued to see if these things were true or not remember the berean church they were different because they pursued the scriptures does find out if what was preached to them was true or not. Amen. So. Even though these people had the experience of it all they rejected it so observation and investigation.
▶ 23:14 Didn’t do anything for them. They just rejected the apostles now remember again these apostles are new creatures and these apostles are doing signs and wonders I mean things are happening back there they have to reject everything but when your heart is for yourself you will reject Christ now. Opposers as the musicians come. Observed. And didn’t investigate for their evil deed and I’m saying that because in John 3 if you don’t believe on the Lord Jesus Christ you’re condemned already and it’s not because you don’t believe you’re condemned he goes on to say they won’t come to Christ so their deeds are exposed because their deeds are evil if you come to Christ guess what he’s going to expose you he’s gonna ask you to repent he’s gonna ask you to turn so it wasn’t just because they didn’t believe in Christ they were not they did not want to change their sinful lifestyle.
Scripture in this part
Acts 4:1-3 (NKJV)
Now as they spoke to the people, the priests, the captain of the temple, and the Sadducees came upon them, being greatly disturbed that they taught the people and preached in Jesus the resurrection from the dead. And they laid hands on them, and put them in custody until the next day, for it was already evening.
— Acts 4:1-3 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 20:53What does being born again mean?
Short answer: The Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you and will give life to your mortal body.
▶ 24:30 Romans 8:11 the spirit of him who raised from the dead is living in you did you hear that. That’s what we call being born again that’s spirit living in us that makes the difference and that’s just what the apostles offer them and physical. Appearance and physical being able to see their lifestyle. And. This same spirit will also give life to your mortal bodies. They that are born of the spirit are of the spirit they are born of the flesh are of the flesh and this spirit that dwells in you we’re not talking about the baptism of Holy Ghost we’re talking about that spirit of God that comes when you repent and ask Christ to come into your life amen the spirit lives in you and because it lives in you church you have.
Scripture in this part
Romans 8:11 (NKJV)
But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
— Romans 8:11 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 24:30What is eternal life?
Short answer: This is eternal life: that you might know God and His Son Jesus Christ. You can have a relationship and experience them.
▶ 25:27 This life this eternal life and you got to understand the Bible definition of eternal life. John 17:3 this is eternal life that you might know God and his son Jesus Christ. Wow. See that changes everything I can know them I can have a relationship I can encounter them I can experience them Jesus said if you obey my word me and my father will come and dwell in you the Jesus only have a problem with that me and my father will come and dwell in you yes he’s one God but you cannot separate the identities of the function of God in the flesh God the spirit in heaven and God the spirit of holy God one God three aspects.
Scripture in this part
John 17:3 (NKJV)
And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
— John 17:3 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 25:27John 14:23 (NKJV)
Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
— John 14:23 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 25:27Can God change your behavior?
Short answer: If any man be in Christ he is a new creature; old things are passed away. Are we willing to repent and let God change us into a new creation?
▶ 26:32 And he lives in us folks and because he lives in us. We can change the behavior of this mortal body. If any man be in Christ he is a new creature old things are passed away all things have become new. And. That’s what I found when I got saved cry started drawing me to the site of right was I right totally when I got saved no I did a lot of things wrong still but God would convict me and especially when I got filled with the Holy Ghost that Holy Ghost is relentless the spirit of truth is relentless he is constantly nagging you don’t do this do that now get up and read your bibles pray don’t tell me you don’t have Time give me 15 minutes mm-hmm are you there.
▶ 27:31 They say and the question is are. We willing to repent from our sins and let God change us into a new creation that’s the question God is asking us today. The other question is do you know God and Jesus when is the last Time you experienced the presence of Jesus touching your life the presence of God touching your life because he said we can know them. Do they live in you have you obeyed the word of nuf for God and Jesus to come and dwell in you. Do you want to be made a new creature that’s the questions God is asking everyone and are you willing to investigate.
▶ 28:31 Seek God and experience knowing him and being changed old things passed away the right things are no old habits all sins always. Slowly removed and new ways coming into your life.
Scripture in this part
2 Corinthians 5:17 (NKJV)
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
— 2 Corinthians 5:17 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 26:32More questions this message answers
Short answers drawn only from what he says in this message, each with the moment in the video.
Does science deny Bible truth?
He says give it time and science will come up to the Bible.
What question does he ask at the end?
When did you last experience the presence of Jesus?
About this transcript
This transcript comes from YouTube’s automatic English captions, which supply the timing and the words. Punctuation, capitalization and paragraphing were added from the speaker’s pauses and then corrected by hand, and obvious caption errors (names, Bible references) were fixed; his wording was not rewritten. “[unclear]” marks a word or name that was not clear. Editor notes: He says “second Kings 16 17 and Elijah” for Elisha’s servant seeing the chariots (2 Kings 6:17); his words kept, the correct passage linked. Historical dates (Supreme Court in the 1840s, Copernicus 1475, Harvey 1620) are kept as spoken and were not checked. Select any time to jump to that moment on YouTube.
