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From the sermonTo Cover or Not to Cover Part 2 · Pastor David G. Kincer▶ 0:00

In “To Cover or Not to Cover Part 2,” Pastor David G. Kincer finishes his study of 1 Corinthians 11, saying Paul answers male ego arguments with the truth that man and woman were both made in God’s image and are one in Christ. He argues that “power on her head because of the angels” means real authority, not a symbol, and that Paul’s phrase about nature and long hair is about origin and a woman’s hair being given to her as a covering. He ends with Paul’s final answer, that the churches of God have no such custom.

Were both men and women made in the image of God?

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Short answer: He says Genesis 1:26-28 shows both were made in the image of God and given dominion, and that Paul knows this but is “concentrating on these male egos.” God said “let us,” not “I will,” so the Godhead is plural, and “mankind” means the human race, not male. He adds that the woman was given the same blessing, “but Paul left that part out.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 0:00 Genesis 1:26, we got to make it clear that both were made in the image of God. See, Paul knows this, but he didn’t bring out the fact that the woman was made in the image of God also. See, Paul knows this, but he didn’t bring it out. Why? He is concentrating on these male egos that he is going to bury here in a couple of verses. “Let us make man in our image.” There’s the plural: “let us.” God didn’t say “I will,” He said “let us.” The Godhead is plural. Do you understand that? Jesus was back there at the beginning. “Let us make man,” mankind; it’s not man, male; it’s mankind. A lot of words for man in the Bible is mankind, the human race. It’s not male at all. “Let us make the human race in our” what? “Image.” There’s the plural again: “our” is plural. “After our likeness, and let them have dominion.” So God created man. Verse 27, “in His own image, male and female created He” what? “Them.” And both of them what? Were made in the image of God, the likeness of God, and had dominion; they had rulership. Yes. Jeez.

▶ 1:39 Now more ego, self-important arguments: “for the man is not of the woman, but the woman of the man; neither was the man created for the woman, but the woman was created for the man.” Man, he’s really got him going. Genesis 1:28, “God blessed” what? Plural: man and woman. And God said to what? “Them,” plural, man and woman, Adam and Eve: “Be fruitful, multiply, replenish the earth, subdue it, and have dominion and authority over every living thing.” We got to understand that the woman was given the same blessing, but Paul left that part out. Why? He’s feeding these guys. They’re really feeling good right now. Yeah, man. “Get that babushka on your head. Woman, keep quiet in the church. Woman.”

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Genesis 1:26-28 (NKJV)

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

— Genesis 1:26-28 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 0:00
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1 Corinthians 11:8-9 (NKJV)

For man is not from woman, but woman from man. Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man.

— 1 Corinthians 11:8-9 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 1:43

What does “power on her head because of the angels” mean in 1 Corinthians 11:10?

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Short answer: He says nowhere in the Bible does it say a woman has to have power over her head because of the angels, and that several translations say “power” is the sign of the husband’s authority, which he calls “a big mistake.” He says the word means real supernatural power, as in Matthew 28:18 and Luke 10:19, and that angels are spirit beings who do not need a covering, while Satan acts like an angel of light.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 2:43 Now verse 10, “For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.” Now, folks, nowhere in the Bible does it say a woman’s got to have power over her head because of the angels, and you got to watch your translations here. Here’s a good example: the New King James, the NIV, New International Version, the Living Bible, the Amplified Bible, the American Standard Bible all say “power” is the sign of the husband’s authority, and that’s a big mistake. If you’re going to deal with angels, you don’t want a sign, you don’t want a symbol, you want power. Are you there? And see, we read our Bible and we just accept; we don’t dig. King James has it right, the Darby Bible has it right.

▶ 3:48 The word “power” there is the same word that the Bible uses all through, showing that there’s supernatural power, there is authority. Okay, in Matthew 9:6, “the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins.” Now do you want Him to have a symbol of that, or you want Him to have the power? The power. All right, Matthew 10:1, Jesus gave His twelve disciples power over unclean spirits, and to heal all manner of sicknesses, and to preach. Did He give them a symbol of power? You know, here’s a dove, here, go preach, you; a symbol of a dove, or symbol of a fish, or whatever we symbolize? No, He gave them power. He gave authority.

▶ 4:45 Matthew 28:18, “All power is given unto Me in heaven and earth.” Does He have a symbol of power? Does He have power? Is He the authority over all the earth? You see, He is. And listen to this, Luke 10:19, “I give you power to tread upon serpents and scorpions,” talking to us, “and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.” Now do you want a symbol of power or do you want the power? Yeah. The Devil don’t care if you got a symbol. He doesn’t care if you wear a cross; it doesn’t bother him a bit. What he cares is who the strong man of your house is. Jesus Christ is living in you, and he can’t do anything without Jesus’s permission. That’s power. And so he’s really got these guys right where he wants them, right?

▶ 5:44 Now, angels. What angels? We know there are angels of God, messengers that minister to us, isn’t that right? Hebrews 1, yes. Okay, that, you know, if the angel comes to a woman to minister to her and she doesn’t have a babushka on her head, “Yeah, oh, I can’t come. You know, oh, I can’t talk to you, you don’t have a covering.” I mean, what kind of wimpy angel is he? See, when the angel came to Rebecca and showed her about the two boys that she had, and didn’t reveal it to Isaac, it doesn’t say anything about, “Well, she’s got a covering on her head, so I can talk to her,” or “If she doesn’t have a covering, I can’t talk to her.” Come on. Angels could care the least; they’re spirit beings. Are you with me? Okay, but Satan is as an angel of light. Whoa, that changes everything, doesn’t it? He acts like an angel of light, and he’s not.

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1 Corinthians 11:10 (NKJV)

For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.

— 1 Corinthians 11:10 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 2:44
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Matthew 9:6 (NKJV)

But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”—then He said to the paralytic, “Arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.”

— Matthew 9:6 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 4:00
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Matthew 10:1 (NKJV)

And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease.

— Matthew 10:1 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 4:13
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Matthew 28:18 (NKJV)

And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

— Matthew 28:18 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 4:45
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Luke 10:19 (NKJV)

Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

— Luke 10:19 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 4:58
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Hebrews 1:14 (NKJV)

Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?

— Hebrews 1:14 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 5:53 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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2 Corinthians 11:14 (NKJV)

And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.

— 2 Corinthians 11:14 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 6:41 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

Do husbands and pastors need real authority or a symbol of authority?

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Short answer: He says a husband needs real authority and power, not a symbol of it, and that real leadership is not pushing and kicking people around: like a cord, if you lead, it follows. He says husbands should follow Christ and their wife will have no problem following, and a pastor should lead the church and not “beat them up every Sunday.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 6:51 Does she need authority or a symbol of authority when Satan comes to tempt and seduce and test her? She needs authority, and she needs a husband with authority. She don’t need no husband with a symbol of authority. “I’m a delegated authority; I’m a big deal, bud.” We need some action in this home. Amen. That husband needs authority; he needs power. Okay, I want to get this cord over there. I can push, kick, push, and nothing is happening. And this is what a lot of people think leadership is: just beat people up, push them, kick them around, get moving. But if I just lead this cord, it follows me. No effort, no nothing. I get it where it belongs, we both get there, and the key, husbands, is to be a leader. Do what Paul said: follow Christ, and your wife will have no problem following you. You try to push your ways on her and force your ways on her, and especially when they’re your traditions, she’s got no choice but to follow Christ. Now that was good. Amen. Same with a pastor of a church. If you want your church to get to the high mark of the calling of God, lead them into it. Don’t beat them up every Sunday; lead them there. That way they can reject you for leading, but they can’t reject you for bullying and pushing and being lord over you. That’s a good place for an amen. I told you this Paul’s good.

How do we stand against Satan and his angels, with a symbol or real authority?

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Short answer: He says another word for angels is messenger, and that when demons come around you need the real authority of Christ, not a symbol, with both husband and wife under the power of Christ. He says if people reject you they are rejecting the one who sent you, and that the bigger problem than demons is people who follow Satan with their own traditions and doctrines, which you need authority to withstand.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 8:58 Now Satan has angels, Satan and his angels. Another word for angels is messenger. Okay, when these little demons come around trying to mess with you and all that, do you need a symbol of authority or do you need real authority? You need the real thing. Husband, we need to get with it in the home. We need to get under that power of Christ, and a woman needs to be under the power of Christ, and as a team nothing’s going to mess with that home. Hallelujah. And we both lead these kids in the ways that are right. Now John the Baptist was called a messenger. John’s disciples were called messengers. Jesus sent His disciples to a Samaritan village to announce He was coming there, and it says they were messengers, and when they got there and said, “Jesus has come,” they said, “We don’t want Him,” and so they rejected the messengers because they rejected the One who sent the messengers. And if people reject you, it’s not you they’re rejecting; they’re rejecting the One that sent you with the message.

▶ 10:16 Now Satan has children, the children of the wicked one, and Matthew 13, the parable of the sower. So demons aren’t really your big problem once you get Christ; it’s these people that follow Satan, and they come up with their own traditions, their own doctrines, their own way of doing things, and you need authority to withstand them. You need authority to reject their message. Ain’t that right? And a scarf isn’t going to do nothing. You know, I got a scarf on me, man, Hitler ain’t going to bother me, I got a scarf.

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Luke 9:52-53 (NKJV)

and sent messengers before His face. And as they went, they entered a village of the Samaritans, to prepare for Him. But they did not receive Him, because His face was set for the journey to Jerusalem.

— Luke 9:52-53 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 9:43 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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Matthew 13:38 (NKJV)

The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.

— Matthew 13:38 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 10:20

What does “neither is the man without the woman” mean in 1 Corinthians 11:11-12?

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Short answer: He says Paul concludes his ego arguments by showing they prove nothing: in the Lord neither is the man without the woman nor the woman without the man, and all things come from God. He says that “when we come to Christ, this nonsense is gone,” and that men did not get here unless a woman brought them into the world, so get your ego back “down to earth.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 11:04 Now Paul concludes these ego arguments. He’s going to conclude that these things prove nothing. I told you he set them up to pop their balloon, and he’s going to prove it by pointing to them that all things come forth from God. “Nevertheless,” but however, “neither is the man without the woman, and the woman without the man, in the Lord.” Say “in the Lord.” In the Lord. See, when we come to Christ, this nonsense is gone. “For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman.” Men, you didn’t get here unless some woman brought you into this world, so let’s just get your ego back down to earth. Ain’t that right? Ain’t Paul good? Yeah. All of a sudden, bam, man, they went from up here to right below the rug real quick.

Scripture in this part

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1 Corinthians 11:11-12 (NKJV)

Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord. For as woman came from man, even so man also comes through woman; but all things are from God.

— 1 Corinthians 11:11-12 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 11:28

What does it mean to be baptized into Christ and “put on Christ”?

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Short answer: He says everything comes from God, and that in water baptism the sinful nature is put to death and the new creature comes out of the water. It is “not a symbol, an outward sign of an inward work,” he says, but an inward work that God does, as we identify with the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 12:09 “But all things are of,” come forth from who? God. Everything comes from God: the prayer, the prophecy, the traditions, the customs, the rules, the laws, the image, the likeness, the glory, the dominion, the authority, all come from who? God. Now I know you guys knew all this stuff. I’m just boring you with warmed-over meals here, but look here, it’s backed up also in the Scriptures. Galatians 3:27, “As many of you have been baptized into Christ have” what? “Put on Christ.” In water baptism you kill the sinful nature. Water baptism is not a symbol, an outward sign of an inward work; it is an inward work God does. Things in water baptism that you need to know: the old nature of man, of sin, is put to death, and the new creature, the man of righteousness, Christ, we put on Him, comes out of that water. Amen. Water baptism is important. We identify with the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.

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Galatians 3:27 (NKJV)

For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

— Galatians 3:27 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 12:50

Are men and women equal in Christ?

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Short answer: He says that in Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, “male nor female,” and that God does not see those differences. He says we are all one in Christ Jesus, heirs of the promise, and that Acts 2 says sons and daughters, male and female, will prophesy.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 13:31 “There is neither Jew nor Greek.” Greek is a non-Jew, a heathen, unbeliever. “There is no bond or free”: slave. They had slaves there in Corinth, and masters over them. He says you in God, He don’t look at a slave when they come in; He don’t look at a Gentile, a non-Jew. You know, an African comes in or an Asian comes in, God don’t see that, because in Christ these things just don’t happen. “Neither is there” what? “Male nor female.” Wow, he’s plain English there. Amen. “For you are all” what? “One in Christ Jesus. And if you be Christ’s, you’re Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.” Heirs of the image, heirs of the likeness, heirs of prophecy. It says in Acts 2 that “upon your sons and daughters I will pour out My Spirit,” and the son and the daughter, the male and the female, shall what? Prophesy. That’s why that utterance was good today. We should come to the house of God with something to give, not just get. See, you’re contributors. We are heirs. We have authority, we are under authority, we inherited it all, and together we can do great things in the earth. Amen.

Scripture in this part

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Galatians 3:28-29 (NKJV)

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

— Galatians 3:28-29 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 13:33
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Acts 2:17-18 (NKJV)

‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams. And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy.

— Acts 2:17-18 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 14:32

Can women be leaders and pastors in the church? What about Deborah?

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Short answer: He says women have been mistreated by people twisting Scriptures to say they cannot speak in church, have a leadership position or be a pastor, and says God is “no respecter of persons.” He says a prophet is higher than a pastor, and points to Deborah as a real leader whom the men followed, with Barak saying he would not go unless she went.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 15:30 Now Acts 10:34 said God is “no respecter of persons.” And this message is getting long, but I got to get this out. Women have experienced mistreatment from people taking Scriptures and twisting them for a long time and misinterpreting them. Long hair, you know, you can’t cut your hair, you got to have long hair; you can’t have styled hair; you can’t have jewelry; you can’t wear pants because men wear pants; you can’t speak in church services; you can’t have a leadership position; you can’t be a pastor. And look, a prophet is higher than a pastor, I don’t know if you know that, and she can prophesy. See, the reason men like that is they don’t want a woman to tell them what to do. Well, don’t that show you you got a heart problem? If the woman is a real leader, Deborah was a real leader, the men did what she said. When Barak was told to go out and defeat the army, he said, “I ain’t going anywhere unless you go, lady.”

▶ 16:43 So here’s Deborah right on the front lines. Man, go get them, boys. Yeah, yeah, whip them, man, beat these guys down. She was on the front lines of that battle. Are you there? Hallelujah. And yes, it’s used a lot less, but it’s still used, and let me tell you, if God depended on men to get everything done in the kingdom, we wouldn’t even be where we’re at today, because men are just big talkers and not doers. That’s the truth. They like to sit there. “Oh yeah, hallelujah, let’s go witnessing.” “No, I’m going to watch football.” You know, “Let’s learn an instrument and let’s prophesy unto the Lord.” “No, no, I’m going to learn how to eat pretzels while I’m watching football.” But boy, when you ask the man anything, he knows it all. Hallelujah. Aren’t you glad you came to church today? They don’t read the Bible, they don’t pray, they don’t learn anything, they can’t even pay attention in Bible studies, you just ask them anything and they know it all.

Scripture in this part

Scripture (NKJV)

Acts 10:34 (NKJV)

Then Peter opened his mouth and said: “In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality.

— Acts 10:34 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 15:31
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Judges 4:8 (NKJV)

And Barak said to her, “If you will go with me, then I will go; but if you will not go with me, I will not go!”

— Judges 4:8 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 16:36 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

Have women been ministers and leaders throughout church history?

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Short answer: He says history is filled with women ministers: the Methodist movement, the Quakers and the Baptists had women leaders until about the turn of the twentieth century, when someone twisted Paul’s Scriptures. He says the Pentecostals and the Salvation Army kept women in leadership, and describes how limited women’s rights were in the early part of the nation.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 18:14 Now women in our nation, early part of our nation, could not own property. If they had kids when they divorced, they didn’t get the kids. It was unheard of; you couldn’t do it. You’re a woman, you don’t know how to raise kids. They couldn’t hold political office, they couldn’t vote, they couldn’t be a leader in the workforce, they couldn’t be a leader anywhere. They couldn’t be educated above eighth grade, because they’re just there to take care of the home. And that’s, I mean, that’s true in our nation. Yeah, and yet history is filled with women ministers. John Wesley’s movement, the Methodist movement, had many women preachers and leaders. The Quakers and the Baptists had women leaders till the turn of the twentieth century, when somebody came in, twisted Paul’s Scriptures, and said women got to shut up, and the Baptists and the Quakers accepted it. But the Pentecostals came along at that time, and the Salvation Army, and the Pentecostals had a black leader at Azusa; blacks could not rule over whites back then, do you know that? But when God’s into something, there is neither Jew nor Gentile, Pentecost or Protestant or whatever, black or white; they were just touching God, and everybody wanted God, and women helped him lead the church on Azusa Street.

Why is the woman called “the glory of the man”?

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Short answer: He says “the woman is the glory and the splendor of the man,” the brightness of the man, and that we like our women with their hair fixed up. He goes back to Adam, who named all the animals and could not find a helpmate, and says that when God made the woman from the rib and brought her to Adam, Adam lit up.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 19:50 And in the Pentecostal churches women had a part, most of them anyway. The holiness movement came along. The head of the Salvation, Booth, he got convinced that women should not be preachers. The head of the Salvation Army started the Salvation Army, and then he met this woman called Catherine. And man, you know, remember back there, the woman is the glory and the splendor of the man, the brightness of the man, and we like our women with hair and fixed-up hair. Huh. Yeah. Now you go back to Adam and Eve. Adam, the Bible says, he named all the animals, and yet he couldn’t find a helpmate for him.

▶ 20:49 We’re going to talk about the glory and the splendor of the man. And then God took a rib out, made a woman, woke Adam up, and brought the woman to Adam. Naked. I mean, wow. Can you just see, man, he lit up. I mean, those lions and tigers did nothing, the fishing did nothing. Man, when this, what? And she’s new, she’s naked. Then God brought her. [unclear] And this is where Adam got the first idea of a fig leaf. Man.

Scripture in this part

Scripture (NKJV)

Genesis 2:19-22 (NKJV)

Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name. So Adam gave names to all cattle, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper comparable to him. And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. Then the rib which the LORD God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man.

— Genesis 2:19-22 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 20:43 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

Did the Salvation Army’s Booth change his mind about women preachers?

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Short answer: He says Booth had been convinced that women should not be preachers, then married Catherine, a woman preacher who kept on preaching, and when he went to hear her he came back converted. He says the proof was there because people got saved and the Word worked: “what matters is God moved and He used the woman.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 21:41 Yeah, man, he had things in him he didn’t know was there yet. And then God’s given them this big long sermon like I’m giving you today: “Replenish the earth, you know, subdue it, have dominion, I’m making you my likeness in your image, I want you to replenish the earth.” And man, you can just see Adam: “I wish he’d hurry up and shut up. I’ll get [unclear] busy with replenishing this here if he leaves.” And she’s over there [unclear] this guy’s turned on, man, and she’s over there, takes a flower and puts it in her hair. Man, he’s all worked up, and she’s worked up because he’s worked up. Now she’s saying, “When’s this guy going to get done telling us all this? We got to get busy fulfilling replenish and fill the earth.” So when Booth married, guess who he married? Catherine. And guess what? She was a woman preacher.

▶ 22:50 He don’t believe in women preachers. They got a big clash at the beginning, and these two get married. Did she stop preaching because her husband didn’t believe in women preachers anymore? No way. She just kept on doing what she was doing before they got married. And so one day Booth said, “I’m going to go down, check this thing out,” so he goes down to listen to his wife preach, and he came back converted. You see, the evidence was there, the proof was there. People got saved, people got touched, the Word worked. It didn’t matter if it was a woman or what; what matters is God moved and He used the woman. So the proof is there. And so Booth threw his women [unclear] preach doctrine right out the door with one visit, and it was his own wife.

▶ 23:45 See, you can’t argue with the evidence, and if they haven’t got anything to say, then shut up. “We can’t have women speaking,” because women want to speak, they got to have something to say, ain’t that right? “I’m a woman, I’m tired of being beat down all these years, I want to preach.” “You ain’t got anything to say.” “I know, but I’m a woman, I got to make up for all these years of getting persecuted.” Yeah, now you’re going to persecute us, we got to sit there and listen to you say nothing. Anyway, Lutheran, Calvin came up with this “women can’t preach” stuff, and a lot of people fell for it.

Scripture in this part

Scripture (NKJV)

Genesis 1:28 (NKJV)

Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

— Genesis 1:28 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 21:53 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

What does “nature itself teach you” about long hair mean in 1 Corinthians 11:14?

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Short answer: He says Paul is always using the word “judge” and telling us to make judgments, and here asks whether it is proper for a woman to pray uncovered. When he tried “nature” as the animal kingdom, the lion did not work, so he says the word means origin, the birthing: men and women are born with certain things about them, and the long hair in the verse is a decorated lock or ornament, not just length.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 24:38 Now Paul gives the answer to the question. Okay, judging yourselves: is it proper that a woman, a wife, pray unto God covered or uncovered? Okay, now here it is again. Paul’s always using this word “judge,” and yet out there in the world they’re saying, “Judge not, let [unclear] be not [unclear].” They take one Scripture of the Bible they don’t even believe in, yet they take the one Scripture when we try to tell them, “You got to change your way,” and, you know, “You judge not, lest you be [unclear], man. Don’t be judging anybody.” And Paul’s always telling us to make judgments, isn’t he? And he’s telling you now, you judge, you make a decision: is it proper that a woman pray and prophesy uncovered, unveiled? “Doesn’t nature itself teach you if a man have long hair it’s a shame to him?” Now when I was a young Christian, you know, I read the books and all that, and the first thing I read about this verse is nature teaches you, the animal kingdom teaches you. And I thought, “Wow, yeah, that’s great, men can’t have long hair because of the animal kingdom.” And the first animal I went to was the lion.

▶ 25:53 And the lioness had no hair, and the lion had all kinds of hair, long hair. I go, “That didn’t work.” I didn’t go any further; I just, it didn’t work. But when I began to look at this word, it doesn’t mean that kind of nature, it means origin, the birthing. You see, us men are birthed with certain things about us, and the women are birthed with certain things about them, and this long hair does not mean long hair as just long hair. All right, he repeats it, and it’s only used two times in the Bible, this word “long hair” here, two times. But if the woman have long hair, you see, it is a glory, a splendor to her. Now here’s the difference: the long hair there is a tassel, a lock, a decorated lock, an ornamental. Women do things with their hair that us men don’t have it in us to do. Are you there?

Scripture in this part

Scripture (NKJV)

1 Corinthians 11:13-14 (NKJV)

Judge among yourselves. Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him?

— 1 Corinthians 11:13-14 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 24:44
Scripture (NKJV)

Matthew 7:1 (NKJV)

“Judge not, that you be not judged.

— Matthew 7:1 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 24:57 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
Scripture (NKJV)

1 Corinthians 11:15 (NKJV)

But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering.

— 1 Corinthians 11:15 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 26:41

Is a woman’s hair her covering?

▶ Watch this part (27:14)

Short answer: He says hair is given to her for a covering, so “she don’t need a babushka,” a scarf or a veil. He says it is her splendor and her brightness, and it is about what women do with their hair and why they do it, not its length, and he says Paul gave the Corinthians a bunch of nonsense to bring the truth to them.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 27:14 I mean, when I married Rebecca, she was a gorgeous woman, and she had this hairstyle. Man, I tell you, if she’d have been baldheaded, I’d have went right on by. Why? Because he’s showing us it’s, we’re born, women were born to make their hair attractive and, you know, to decorate it and do things with it. Men weren’t born for that, and it’s got nothing to do with the length; it’s got to do with why they do it. See, no man goes around doing things to their hair. It’s in their right mind that women do, and if they did, they still wouldn’t look good, and I’ll show you that in a minute. And here he answers their question: “her hair is given to her for a” what? “Covering.” She don’t need a babushka, she doesn’t need a scarf, she doesn’t need a veil. Her hair was given to her by God. That’s her splendor, that’s her brightness, and men like her for it. Hallelujah.

▶ 28:43 Now when the hippies were here, they used this to beat the hippies up, and you can’t do that. It’s got to do with what women do with their hair and the look they have. I mean, when Rebecca walked down the street, man, she turned all heads with that hair and that face of hers, and every, wow. Wow. You shave her head and they would know about it, they’d be looking all right. Amen. Now isn’t Paul good? I mean, he gave them a bunch of nonsense to bring the truth to them, and they fell for it, just like you have been falling for it all these years reading these Scriptures. Here is a Jewish couple back in Christ’s day; they both have a covering on their head. All right, here is a Greek couple. Okay, you see the little decoration she’s got, these little curly things hanging down, and this braid going across the front and all that. That’s what women do. They think up these ways to, yeah, get their men all excited, in love with it, and we love it.

▶ 30:08 Okay, here’s an Asian couple. Now check that guy. I mean, what’s that thing on his head? Good Lord. But look at his wife, man, she’s got long hair, and it’s all, I mean, oh wow. Here’s the Egyptians during that time. Look at her hair, it’s real long. His hair is long. See, her hair is long, and it’s got little tassels, little decorations at the end. And here’s some more long hair, and a guy has longer long hair too, but not as long, and, you know, not styled. Are you there? And here’s the real agents of civilization. We got Steven Tyler there. He’s got long hair and puts a little gray streak in it or something like that, and none of us men would ever want to kiss him. But look at that lady by him. They both have long hair, but wow, [unclear]. See, that’s what Paul’s talking about. The woman’s hair was given to her by God, not only to excite that man, but that’s what God did to women, made them special in that area, and he says their hair is their covering, they don’t need anything. And then he’s really going to lay them out. You ready for this? I mean, he’s going to lay them out good. He’s got them that their natural hair is their covering.

Scripture in this part

Scripture (NKJV)

1 Corinthians 11:15 (NKJV)

But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering.

— 1 Corinthians 11:15 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 28:18

Is the blood of Jesus our covering?

▶ Watch this part (31:50)

Short answer: He says Hebrews 10:19 says nothing about a covering for the head: “the blood of Jesus is our covering.” We go in by His blood and by the body that took the pain, and it does not matter if we have long hair, short hair, or coats and ties, but whether we accept the blood, His sacrifice and His authority.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 31:50 Hebrews 10:19. Before he lays them out, I want to confirm what Paul said. “Therefore, brethren, have boldness to enter the Holiest” where God is, by the what? Blood. Anything about a covering? No. The blood of Jesus is our covering. Okay, “by a new and living way which He has consecrated,” He has set apart for us, “through the veil, that is, His flesh.” See, He took the beating, He took the nails in His hand, He took the spear in His side, He took the crown of thorns. He is our covering. We go in by His blood, we go in by that body that took the pain and all that; we go in that way. “Let us draw near, and having a High Priest over the house of God.” He is the High Priest, He is the Shepherd. Amen, He is the authority. “Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith,” having our, number one, going back to number one, “hearts sprinkled”, they sprinkled things in the Old Testament with the blood, “from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.” That’s water baptism and the washing of the water of the Word. And we can go in. It doesn’t matter if we got long hair, short hair, coats and ties; that ain’t got anything to do with it. It’s do we accept the blood, do we accept His sacrifice of His body, do we accept His authority, and we can go in, and we can touch God, and we can be used of God.

Scripture in this part

Scripture (NKJV)

Hebrews 10:19-22 (NKJV)

Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh, and having a High Priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

— Hebrews 10:19-22 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 31:50

Does the Bible command women to wear a head covering (1 Corinthians 11:16)?

▶ Watch this part (33:18)

Short answer: He calls the covering question “a silly issue,” and says Paul’s final answer is that we have “no such custom,” and neither do the churches of God, including Corinth, Jerusalem and Antioch. He ends: “There is no commandment that women have to do anything but pray and prophesy.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 33:18 And this covering thing was a silly issue. And then here’s his final answer, after saying the woman’s hair is her covering. This is his final answer. He says, “If any of you seem to be contentious,” quarrel, “some question in this, we have” what? “No such custom,” tradition, rule, “neither the churches of God,” not only the Corinthian church but the church in Jerusalem, the church at Antioch, and all the other churches. There is no commandment that women have to do anything but pray and prophesy.

Scripture in this part

Scripture (NKJV)

1 Corinthians 11:16 (NKJV)

But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God.

— 1 Corinthians 11:16 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 33:33

More questions this message answers

Short answers drawn only from what he says in this message, each with the moment in the video.

Why does he say “let us make man” shows the Godhead is plural?

He says God did not say “I will,” He said “let us,” so the Godhead is plural, and Jesus was there at the beginning. He adds that “mankind” is the human race, not male.

▶ Watch at 0:00

Scripture (NKJV)

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

— Genesis 1:26-28 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 0:00

What does he say about “the woman was created for the man”?

He calls these “ego, self-important arguments” that Paul is using to feed the men, and says Paul left out that the woman was given the same blessing and dominion.

▶ Watch at 1:39

Scripture (NKJV)

For man is not from woman, but woman from man. Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man.

— 1 Corinthians 11:8-9 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 1:43
Scripture (NKJV)

Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

— Genesis 1:28 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 1:56

Which Bible translations does he say get “power on her head” wrong?

He says the New King James, the NIV, the Living Bible, the Amplified Bible and the American Standard Bible all say power is the sign of the husband’s authority, and that King James and the Darby Bible have it right.

▶ Watch at 2:43

Scripture (NKJV)

For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.

— 1 Corinthians 11:10 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 2:44

Did Jesus give His disciples a symbol of power or real power?

He says Jesus gave His twelve disciples power over unclean spirits, to heal and to preach, not a symbol like a dove or a fish. “No, He gave them power.”

▶ Watch at 3:48

Scripture (NKJV)

And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease.

— Matthew 10:1 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 4:13

Does the Devil care if you wear a cross?

He says the Devil doesn’t care if you wear a cross; “what he cares is who the strong man of your house is,” and whether Jesus Christ is living in you.

▶ Watch at 4:45

Scripture (NKJV)

Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

— Luke 10:19 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 4:58

Would an angel refuse to speak to a woman without a covering?

He says no: “what kind of wimpy angel is he?” When the angel came to Rebecca, he says, the Bible says nothing about her having a covering, and angels are spirit beings who “could care the least.”

▶ Watch at 5:44

Scripture (NKJV)

Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?

— Hebrews 1:14 (NKJV) (quoted; reference not named in the message)▶ Hear it at 5:53

What does he say is a bigger problem than demons?

He says once you have Christ, demons “aren’t really your big problem”; it is people who follow Satan and come up with their own traditions, doctrines and way of doing things. You need authority to withstand them and reject their message.

▶ Watch at 10:16

Scripture (NKJV)

The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.

— Matthew 13:38 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 10:20

What happens to these arguments when we come to Christ?

He says “when we come to Christ, this nonsense is gone,” because in the Lord neither is the man without the woman nor the woman without the man.

▶ Watch at 11:04

Scripture (NKJV)

Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord. For as woman came from man, even so man also comes through woman; but all things are from God.

— 1 Corinthians 11:11-12 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 11:28

Where does he say everything comes from?

From God: the prayer, the prophecy, the traditions, the customs, the rules, the laws, the image, the likeness, the glory, the dominion and the authority all come from God.

▶ Watch at 12:09

Scripture (NKJV)

Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord. For as woman came from man, even so man also comes through woman; but all things are from God.

— 1 Corinthians 11:11-12 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 12:11

Who was Deborah, and why does he mention her?

He says Deborah was a real leader whom the men followed; when Barak was told to go out and defeat the army, he said he would not go unless she went, and she was “on the front lines of that battle.”

▶ Watch at 15:30

Scripture (NKJV)

And Barak said to her, “If you will go with me, then I will go; but if you will not go with me, I will not go!”

— Judges 4:8 (NKJV) (quoted; reference not named in the message)▶ Hear it at 16:36

What does he say about men and the work of the kingdom?

He says if God depended on men to get everything done in the kingdom, “we wouldn’t even be where we’re at today,” because men are big talkers and not doers, and he jokes about men who would rather watch football than go witnessing.

▶ Watch at 16:43

What does he say about women in the early part of the nation?

He says they could not own property, did not get the kids when they divorced, could not hold political office or vote, and could not be educated above eighth grade, and that this twisting of Paul’s Scriptures carried into the church.

▶ Watch at 18:14

Why does he say Paul keeps using the word “judge”?

He says Paul is always telling us to make judgments, and yet people in the world say “judge not,” taking one Scripture of the Bible they don’t even believe in when we try to tell them they have to change.

▶ Watch at 24:38

Scripture (NKJV)

“Judge not, that you be not judged.

— Matthew 7:1 (NKJV) (quoted; reference not named in the message)▶ Hear it at 24:57

Is a woman’s hair covering about how long it is?

He says no: “it’s got nothing to do with the length; it’s got to do with why they do it.” Women are born to make their hair attractive and decorate it, which men were not.

▶ Watch at 27:14

Scripture (NKJV)

But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering.

— 1 Corinthians 11:15 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 28:18

Did people use this passage against long-haired men?

He says that when the hippies were around, people used this passage to beat them up, “and you can’t do that,” because it is about what women do with their hair and the look they have.

▶ Watch at 28:43

About this transcript

This transcript comes from YouTube’s automatic English captions, which supply the timing and the words. Punctuation, capitalization and paragraphing were added by hand, and obvious caption errors were corrected; his wording was not rewritten. “[unclear]” marks a word or name that was not clear. In 1 Corinthians 11:10 he reads the King James wording “power on her head” and argues from it, while the NKJV text shown here reads “a symbol of authority on her head”; his words are unchanged. He says the angel came to Rebecca; the NKJV Genesis account says the LORD spoke to her, so no verse is shown for that. The sermon also refers to things on the screen, such as pictures and a cord and scarf, which are not visible in the transcript. Select any time to jump to that moment on YouTube.

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