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From the sermonTo Cover or Not to Cover Part 1 · Pastor David G. Kincer▶ 0:00

In “To Cover or Not to Cover Part 1,” Pastor David G. Kincer begins a study of praying and prophesying with the head covered or uncovered in 1 Corinthians 11. Before the topic itself, he stresses following Christ rather than other people or man-made traditions, then lays out the chain of command in 1 Corinthians 11:3. He then starts working through the verses about men and women praying and prophesying, and the series continues in Part 2.

Should Christians pray and prophesy with their head covered or uncovered?

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Short answer: He says Paul takes up this question in 1 Corinthians 11, and that our problem is we have problems with things “and we start making doctrine out of the problems.” He sets up the question with pictures of women of Bible times and of churches that say women must wear a veil to pray, and says Paul will address it today.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 0:00 Now today he’s going to hit the topic of praying and prophesying with a head covering or uncovered. You know, do we pray and prophesy with our head covered or uncovered? Now some of you have a problem with that already. “What’s that idiot doing? That’s a woman thing.” That’s our problem: we have problems with things, and we start making doctrine out of the problems. And so he’s going to hit this issue. Now you’ll see on your screen, up in the upper left-hand corner, a woman of that day, a typical woman during Christ time, during the New Testament times, with a covering on her head, okay? On the lower right-hand corner you’re going to see a Jewish woman with a veil or covering on her head, and she’s got long hair and it covers all of her hair all the way down to the end. And then in the lower left-hand corner you’re going to see a couple of Christians in church praying with a veil over their head, because their church says women got to have a veil over your head to pray. Okay, now Paul’s going to hit this thing today. Don’t I look handsome up here with this scarf on me?

Who should Christians follow: Jesus or church leaders?

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Short answer: He says Paul begins by saying to follow him as he follows Christ, so we are not to follow other religious leaders, famous preachers or any church movement, but Jesus Christ. He says Jesus only taught and lived by the Word of God, always did the will of the Father, and that a preacher should preach the Scriptures, not their opinion or some church doctrine.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 1:23 Okay, now Paul opens with this statement. He says, “Be you followers, imitators of me, even as I also am of Christ.” Now it’s important that he introduces this subject this way, because when he comes to the conclusion you’re going to need this introductory subject. Okay, he says be followers of me as I follow Christ. In other words, we almost follow who? Christ. And people who follow Christ. Yes. My covering is slipping. I need [unclear]. Now let’s don’t get carried away.

▶ 2:16 In other words, we’re not to follow Muhammad, we’re not to follow Joseph Smith, we’re not to follow the Pope, we’re not to follow Billy Graham, we’re not to follow Oral Roberts or Joel Osteen or Rick Warren, or the emergent church or the seeker-friendly church or the Pentecostal church or the Baptist church or whatever. We are to follow who? Jesus Christ. And he’s hitting a very important issue before he gets into this subject. We get our eyes off Christ and we get our eyes on other things, and we have problems. Could that be an amen? And said, “I only do what I see Christ do. I only do what Jesus teach. You follow me as I follow Him, and if I don’t follow Jesus, don’t follow me,” is what he’s saying. Now Jesus did no sin.

▶ 3:07 Wow, that sure beats all these other guys I listed. Jesus only taught and lived by the Word of God. He taught the Scriptures; He didn’t teach other books. Remember, there were books there. Homer was there, Greek and Roman mythology books were there, Aristotle was there, Socrates was there, the Jewish book of traditions was there. He never taught any of that. He taught what? The Scriptures. He said follow me as I follow Christ. How many, you know, a preacher should be preaching the Scriptures, not their opinion or some church doctrine. See, he’s setting this thing up for a real good answer. Jesus always followed and did the will of the Father, always. You see, Jesus went to the synagogue every Saturday. I’ll [unclear]. This is how these women do that. There we go. Now I won’t fall off. Aren’t I cute? See, Jesus did the will of the Father. He went to the synagogue. He worked till He was 30 years old and went into the ministry. He actually worked; He was a carpenter. He actually held a job, just like the Bible tells us to. Jesus laid down His life and He picked it up again and lived again. Jesus said, “No greater love hath any man than he lays down his life for his friend.” Jesus said, “You are my friends if you do what I ask you to do.”

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1 Corinthians 11:1 (NKJV)

Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.

— 1 Corinthians 11:1 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 1:29
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John 15:13-14 (NKJV)

Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends. You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.

— John 15:13-14 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 4:49 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

How did Jesus’ apostles live, and why does Paul praise the Corinthians?

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Short answer: He says there is no record of the apostles Jesus taught directly, except Judas, misusing church money, committing sexual immorality, idolatry, complaining or dividing, and that they kept serving God until they died. He says we need to follow people who follow Jesus, and that Paul honors the Corinthians for keeping his teachings even though they were “crude,” because when he corrected them, they changed.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 5:02 And we’re to lay down our life for our friend. Jesus, isn’t that right? See, follow Jesus. Forget these other people; follow Jesus. Jesus taught directly 14 apostles. He encountered them and sent them to teach His Word. And there is no record of any of these apostles that He directly taught, except Judas who was picked for that, there’s no record of these guys misusing church money, these guys committing sexual immorality, whether it was incest, homosexuality, adultery or fornication. No record; they didn’t do it. There’s no record of them using extortion because of the position in the church, getting people to do things for them and give them things. There’s no record of them committing idolatry. There’s no record of them complaining. There’s no record of them dividing. Are you there? See, when we follow Jesus we’ll all be on the same track.

▶ 6:10 See, there’s no record of them quitting. They didn’t give up; they didn’t have nervous breakdowns and all this stuff. They kept preaching and serving God all the days of their life till their hearts stopped or they were killed. They martyred and died, isn’t that right? They never needed a sabbatical to get their head together. These guys were powerful. That’s the kind of people Jesus makes. How many, you know, we need to be following Jesus, and we need to be following people that are following Jesus. And so this is very important. Now Paul then goes in to honor them for changing wrong beliefs and wrong behavior when he taught them proper Bible tradition, Bible rules, Bible truths.

▶ 7:03 And he says, “I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the ordinances,” the traditions, the customs, the rules, the teachings, “as I delivered them to you.” And as crude as this church was, with their division, their sexual immorality, their idolatry, their faith in men instead of the power of God, and not seeking the high prize of God, and the complaining when Paul would come and correct them and teach them, they would change, and he honored them for it. I mean, that’s a powerful thing. I mean, we should have that kind of heart. You know, we might have some errors, but goodness, when we hear truth, let’s change. See, he’s setting this up good for this interesting topic.

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1 Corinthians 11:2 (NKJV)

Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you.

— 1 Corinthians 11:2 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 7:05

What man-made traditions does the Bible warn against?

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Short answer: He says the Bible shows several traditions not to follow: the tradition of the elders (leaders making up their own rules), the traditions of men, being captured through philosophy and vain deceit, keeping your own tradition over the commandment of God, and the traditions of your religious or family fathers. He says “we will take tradition over the Word of God, and it nullifies and neutralizes the Word of God.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 8:00 Then he goes and hits another subject, the chain of command. Before he gets into the topic, but before we get there, there are five traditions in the Bible, customs, and we want to hit those so you know what not to follow. In Mark 7:5, the tradition of the elders, the Sanhedrin, the Jewish civil leaders. They made up their own laws: you got to, if you’re going to eat, you got to have a ceremonial washing of the hands. See, traditions of the leaders. Some people will die for church leaders that make up their own rules, and they’re not in the Bible. Could that be true? That is true. In fact, we will take tradition over the Word of God, and it nullifies and neutralizes the Word of God.

▶ 9:07 The second area of traditions is in Mark 7:8, traditions of men, like the washing of pots and cups and the Sabbath day journey and many other things that you do. The tradition of men is not only in the church, but it’s also in the secular world. Colossians 2:8, “Beware lest any man spoil you.” The word “spoil” means capture you, like a bandit, you know. They come and they rob you and they capture, they overpower you and they take what you have. He says beware lest any man capture you through philosophy. They’re going to capture your mind. Philosophy is the way of life and values that you live by. They capture you through philosophy, they capture you through vain, fruitless deceit; they’re actually deceiving you, “and after the tradition of men,” you see, the rules, the customs of men, “after the rudiments,” the principles, “of this world and not after Christ.” And we got to be careful what rules we’re following. Could that be true? What customs? What traditions?

▶ 10:28 Now the third one, Mark 7:9, “You full well reject the commandment of God that you may keep your own tradition.” We’re not just happy with following the church leaders’ nonsense and people of the world; we come up with our own. “This is what I believe,” and it hurts us, it can destroy our life, and it robs us of the things of Christ. And then number four, Galatians 1:14, “I, Paul, profited in the Jewish religion above my equals in my own nation.” You know, we get in our little religion, whether it’s Baptist or Presbyterian or Lutheran or whatever, or Catholic, and man, we want to be, you know, the best in that group, and we do everything they say to try to, you know, be recognized. That’s the real Baptist, that’s the real Methodist, that’s the real Pentecostal, or whatever. Man, I’m “being more zealous of the traditions of my fathers,” religious fathers and also family fathers. You know, there’s people that follow the traditions of their family handed down, even if it goes against the Word of God.

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Mark 7:5 (NKJV)

Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?”

— Mark 7:5 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 8:27
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Mark 7:8 (NKJV)

For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men—the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.”

— Mark 7:8 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 9:12
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Colossians 2:8 (NKJV)

Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

— Colossians 2:8 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 9:30
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Mark 7:9 (NKJV)

He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition.

— Mark 7:9 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 10:32
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Galatians 1:14 (NKJV)

And I advanced in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries in my own nation, being more exceedingly zealous for the traditions of my fathers.

— Galatians 1:14 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 11:09

Which traditions does the Bible tell Christians to keep?

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Short answer: He says the real traditions are what the apostles taught: in 2 Thessalonians 2:15 Paul says to hold the traditions taught by word or by epistle, which he says shows the epistles were Scripture. He says we are to withdraw from those who come up with their own man-made doctrines, and follow “Bible, Jesus, apostle traditions.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 12:00 And he says this is not the ordinances, the traditions I’m talking about. These are the ordinance and tradition that will take you away from truth, take you away from God, and weaken you. I want you to follow the real traditions. 2 Thessalonians 2:15, “Hold the traditions which you have been taught, whether by word,” or the Bible Scriptures, “or by our epistles.” Now in this verse he is declaring that the epistles written by Peter, Paul, John and James were Scripture. You understand that? Hallelujah. So when these people argue about the canonization of the Bible and all that, they’re arguing fruitlessly. Paul recognized these epistles as what? Scripture. Why? They got it straight from God; they got their doctrines from Jesus Christ, and the Bible tells us to follow the apostles’ doctrines and Christ’s doctrines, no one else.

▶ 13:10 Number two, in 2 Thessalonians 3:6, the second part of this number five tradition: “Withdraw from brothers that walk disorderly.” Well, how do we know they walk disorderly? Because they don’t walk after the tradition which he “received of us.” He’s not following us as we follow Christ. Got it? He’s coming up with his own man-made doctrines. And so that’s what he’s saying: don’t follow those other ordinances, those other customs, those other traditions; follow Bible, Jesus, apostle traditions.

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2 Thessalonians 2:15 (NKJV)

Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.

— 2 Thessalonians 2:15 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 12:20
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2 Thessalonians 3:6 (NKJV)

But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us.

— 2 Thessalonians 3:6 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 13:13

What is God’s chain of command in 1 Corinthians 11:3?

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Short answer: He says Paul reminds them of the chain of leadership: the head of every man is Christ, the head of the woman is the husband, and the head of Christ is God. He says “No man has authority over another woman,” and that this shows Jesus is under the authority of God, while Jesus has all power in heaven and earth and the others have only delegated authority.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 13:58 Now verse 3, he comes up and he makes this powerful statement. He’s going to remind them of the chain of command, of the chain of leadership. Now you need to get this in your cranial vacuum. This is God’s chain of leadership. “The head of every man is” what? Jesus Christ. “The head of every woman is the,” and what’s the word for man there? Husband. Say it: husband. No man has authority over another woman. It’s husband. It’s Christ. Head is Christ, and the head of the woman is the man, and the head of Christ is who? God.

▶ 14:53 These people that want to say Jesus only and all that: it plainly says Jesus is under the leadership, the authority, of who? God. When Stephen saw the heavens open, he saw Jesus standing on the right hand of the glory of who? God. See, the Godhead is plural, and there’s an order of authority, and if you follow here with me, Jesus is over everything. Didn’t He say, “All power in heaven and earth been given unto Me”? See, He’s not only the head of the man, He’s the head of everything, and as you follow to the right there, He’s the head of the angels. The angels have delegated authority. Those dotted lines are delegated authority over the church, and over Satan, coming down through the church, and over civil authorities, the husband, the wife and kids. They can only do what Jesus gives them permission to do. Amen.

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1 Corinthians 11:3 (NKJV)

But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

— 1 Corinthians 11:3 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 14:22
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Acts 7:55-56 (NKJV)

But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”

— Acts 7:55-56 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 15:05 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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Matthew 28:18 (NKJV)

And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

— Matthew 28:18 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 15:34 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

Who has authority over the church, the husband and the wife?

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Short answer: He says Jesus has direct authority over civil governments, the church and the wife, and that pastors are only delegated. He says the wife has two heads, the husband as a delegated authority and Jesus as her direct authority, so if a husband asks her to do something that violates the authority of Christ, she cannot do it.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 16:07 And then you see that He is the direct authority over civil governments. Daniel says the Most High rules in the kingdoms of men and gives it to whomsoever He will. Satan is not ruling in the kingdoms of men; the Bible says who is? God Himself, the Most High. And a lot of people got this teaching all wrong. Secondly, He’s over the church. The Bible says He’s the head of the body, the church, doesn’t He? He’s the real pastor. Us preachers are just delegated, you know, blabbermouths. Really, Jesus is the real power, He’s the real Shepherd. And so when a pastor violates the customs, traditions and rules of Christ, we’re not to follow them, because our real leader is who? Jesus Christ. And then of course we see Him here over the husband, and He has direct authority over the wife. See, the wife has two heads: the husband is a delegated authority, but Jesus is their direct authority. And when a husband asks the wife to do something that violates the authority of Christ, she can’t do that, saying “I got to be submissive.” Are you there, church? Hallelujah. Yeah.

▶ 17:44 Now to show you that women knew that were married who their head was, who their leader was, remember Elizabeth: Zachariah and Elizabeth, who had John the Baptist. Mary came to visit Elizabeth, and Elizabeth looks at her and says, “Why is it that the mother of my Lord”? Now who was Mary? The mother of Jesus. See, Elizabeth knew who her Lord was, the real authority: “that the mother of my Lord should come to me.” All right, you got to understand, and you got to get this chain of command in you so we don’t get messed up here. All right, we come down to the kids. “Permit all children to come unto Me.”

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Daniel 4:25 (NKJV)

They shall drive you from men, your dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make you eat grass like oxen. They shall wet you with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over you, till you know that the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, and gives it to whomever He chooses.

— Daniel 4:25 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 16:15 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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Colossians 1:18 (NKJV)

And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

— Colossians 1:18 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 16:38 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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Luke 1:43 (NKJV)

But why is this granted to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

— Luke 1:43 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 18:01
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Matthew 19:14 (NKJV)

But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.”

— Matthew 19:14 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 18:32 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

Does the church have authority over Satan, and can we “name it and claim it”?

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Short answer: He says Satan can do nothing without Christ’s permission, as with Job, and that the church has delegated authority over Satan. On name it and claim it he says “You can’t just go name it and claim it,” and that if it is not in the will of the Father, “ain’t nothing going to happen.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 18:35 And then you got Satan. He has authority over Satan. Satan can do nothing without Christ’s permission. The church has got to understand that Satan could not touch Job until God said, “Okay, you can do this, but you can’t do that,” and Satan went and did it. We understand that. Now Satan, and the church has delegated authority over Satan. He says He will put Satan under your feet. How long? Shortly. What are you letting him bother you for? Get him under there and step on him and keep him down and get moving. I hate these testimonies: “Satan’s been chasing me all week long.” Oh, who you serving? What do you mean? We have authority over that boy. Okay, so now we find the church has delegated authority over the family when they follow that church and we flow together to the good things of the Lord. And then Satan has delegated authority over civil government: when Jesus wants to straighten civil government out, He has delegated authority over the church. When the people do bad, and God can’t do anything bad, so He comes in and lets Satan do his bad stuff for Him. Okay, Satan has authority over the civil government. He has authority over the husband if the husband gets out of line. Remember Paul said deliver him over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his soul might be saved. You’re looking at me like I’m talking Greek to you. Are you getting this? All right. I tell you, this guy Paul knows his stuff.

▶ 20:34 Our problem is we can’t sit still and listen to the Word of God, and we got to discipline ourself to listen to the Word of God. And then he can have delegated authority over the wife, and the church has delegated authority over the elements. Jesus has direct authority over the elements; that’s why He could say “Peace, be still” and the storm is still. That’s why He could heal the sick and do all these things, change the water to wine. And the church can, as Jesus gives us permission to do it. You can’t just go name it and claim it. That’s a bunch of Pentecostal baloney: name it, claim it, believe it, keep it. If it’s not in the will of the Father, ain’t nothing going to happen. Ain’t that true? He’s the one that’s got to do it, and He delegates it to be done, and then it works.

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Job 1:12 (NKJV)

And the LORD said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on his person.” So Satan went out from the presence of the LORD.

— Job 1:12 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 18:45 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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Romans 16:20 (NKJV)

And the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

— Romans 16:20 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 19:02 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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1 Corinthians 5:5 (NKJV)

deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

— 1 Corinthians 5:5 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 20:11 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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Mark 4:39 (NKJV)

Then He arose and rebuked the wind, and said to the sea, “Peace, be still!” And the wind ceased and there was a great calm.

— Mark 4:39 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 20:55 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

What does “dishonors his head” mean in 1 Corinthians 11:4?

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Short answer: He says Paul has just told us what head he means: a position of leadership, and “it’s got nothing to do with the head,” although the Corinthian church is using the head. He says Paul is talking about husbands and wives, and never about single women.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 21:29 Hallelujah. Now he’s established these three things: follow Christ, the ordinances, the customs, the rules, the laws of Christ, and this chain of command, who’s the leader of who. Okay, and so all these people not only are under leadership, but they’re leaders. See, the wife is a leader also, as well as being led. The kids are under the husband and the wife. That make sense? They’re both leaders, and we’ll show you that more clearly. Now let me get my babushka back on; it keeps falling off up here. “Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head.” Yikes, and get this thing off of me.

▶ 22:29 “Dishonors his head,” disrespects his head. Oh my gosh, embarrasses his head. Now my head don’t feel embarrassed. And why don’t my head feel embarrassed? Because Paul just told us what head he was talking about: position of leadership. It’s got nothing to do with the head, although the Corinthian church is using the head. So let me get this off, because a man’s not supposed to do that. Hallelujah, praise God, that thing was hot. And then he says, “every woman.” And what’s the word there? Is it every woman or is it every wife? He’s talking about husband and wife. He’s not talking about single women at all. All through here it’s husband and wife; never talks about single women. And yet these churches interpret this thing that women got to wear something on their head. And we’re going to clear all this up for you. Paul’s going to clear all this up for us today, and he’s going to give us some good stuff to go along with it.

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1 Corinthians 11:4 (NKJV)

Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head.

— 1 Corinthians 11:4 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 22:20

Does Jesus care if a woman wears a veil when she prays?

▶ Watch this part (23:48)

Short answer: He says no: “Veils don’t mean anything to Him,” and Jesus is not going to refuse a prayer because someone does not have a covering. He says Jesus is the head of the wife along with her husband, and that churches have interpreted this to mean women have to wear something on their head.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 23:48 Okay, “every woman,” every wife, “that prays,” and every man, husband, “prays or prophesies with her head uncovered,” completely covered, covered, veiled, “dishonors her head.” Now who’s her head? Do you remember who her head was? Her husband and Jesus. Now let’s pretend I’m a woman, you know. Okay, I got a veil on me. Do you think Jesus pays any attention to that at all? I come in to pray, or I come in to edify the body of Christ by speaking a prophetic word that God gives me by the inspiration of the Holy Ghost. You think Jesus cares where I got this on or not? No. He can care the least. Veils don’t mean anything to Him. If I don’t have it on, is that going to bother Him? He ain’t going to hear my prayer because I don’t have a covering? No. Come on, we know the Scriptures.

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1 Corinthians 11:5 (NKJV)

But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for that is one and the same as if her head were shaved.

— 1 Corinthians 11:5 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 23:49

Who is really bothered when a wife is uncovered, and does baldness matter to Jesus?

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Short answer: He says it really bothers the husband, who came up with the idea as a symbol of authority over his wife, and “you created the embarrassment; you created the shame.” He says Jesus looks at the heart, so a woman who is baldheaded or has very little hair, even from chemotherapy, does not bother Christ.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 24:58 So who’s it really bothering? The husband. Who came up with this idea in the first place? The husband. You know, he wants that symbol of authority over his wife. “My wife is submissive unto me; she’s got the veil on, and if she doesn’t have it on, she’s disrespecting me, bringing embarrassment to me, a shame came to me.” Well, you created the embarrassment; you created the shame. Are you there, church? Okay, and then he goes on to say this statement. It says, “even if she were shaved.” Now does Jesus care if a woman’s baldheaded or not? No. Jesus looks at the heart; we look at the what? Outward. He cares what the heart condition is. I’ve met women that had very little hair, I mean fuzz, peach fuzz on their head. You think that bothers Christ? You ever seen a person that had to take chemotherapy, they’re baldheaded? You think that bothers Christ? No, it bothers the man. Why? He loves that woman with hair on her head. Are you there? Now, so it’s the husband, and he is dishonored because he set this whole thing up.

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Scripture (NKJV)

1 Corinthians 11:5 (NKJV)

But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for that is one and the same as if her head were shaved.

— 1 Corinthians 11:5 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 25:44

Can women pray and prophesy in church?

▶ Watch this part (26:51)

Short answer: He says the first thing Paul establishes is that “women can pray and prophesy,” which shows women can be involved in the church. He points to 1 Chronicles 25, where prophesying includes singing and playing instruments by the anointing of the Spirit, and where Heman’s three daughters served with his 14 sons for song in the house of the Lord.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 26:51 Now the first thing that Paul established here in these verses is women can pray and prophesy. Side, you got that? Oh, women got to keep silent in the church, right? Here Paul says women can what? Pray and prophesy. How you prophesy? With your mouth shut? Hallelujah. He’s establishing that women can be involved in the church. He’s establishing that, let me give you a little boost here: prophesying, instead of going to the prophets, “Thus saith the Lord,” I’m going to go to music and singing in 1 Chronicles 25:4.

▶ 27:50 Who, it says just before this, I didn’t have enough room on the screen, but David separated these people under the Lord who should what? What’s the word say? Prophesy. Now this prophecy word, prophecy, is the same as the other words that we prophesy and build up the church, except it is a word that says we sing and we play musical instruments by the inspiration, the anointing, of the Spirit. Wow. And we got to understand that not only “Thus saith the Lord,” people getting up, and we heard prophecies that edified this morning, but we can edify and prophesy with our instrument without song, and we can prophesy with instruments with song. He goes on to say God gave to Heman 14 sons and how many daughters? Three. And see, people feel, because God used women in a lot less proportion in the Bible than men, that women aren’t supposed to do anything, and they go back and they conjure up these fantasy ideas.

▶ 29:09 But he had how many daughters? Now what does it say? All these were for song in the house of the Lord. Was it just all 14 or all 17? Was it just the 14 sons or was it also the three daughters? Yeah, you’re pretty good at reading English. See, women could sing, they could prophesy in song, they could prophesy playing the cymbals and harps and the psaltery, a kind of like a guitar, it’s a stringed instrument, for the service of the house of the Lord. Where are they going to do this at? In the house of the Lord. We got to find, we got to understand.

Scripture in this part

Scripture (NKJV)

1 Chronicles 25:1 (NKJV)

Moreover David and the captains of the army separated for the service some of the sons of Asaph, of Heman, and of Jeduthun, who should prophesy with harps, stringed instruments, and cymbals. And the number of the skilled men performing their service was:

— 1 Chronicles 25:1 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 27:55
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1 Chronicles 25:5-6 (NKJV)

All these were the sons of Heman the king’s seer in the words of God, to exalt his horn. For God gave Heman fourteen sons and three daughters. All these were under the direction of their father for the music in the house of the LORD, with cymbals, stringed instruments, and harps, for the service of the house of God. Asaph, Jeduthun, and Heman were under the authority of the king.

— 1 Chronicles 25:5-6 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 28:47

Does Paul’s head-covering argument come from Scripture?

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Short answer: He says “these two things he said is not backed up in Scripture,” and that Paul is answering the men from their own ego and selfish importance, with demands on the wife that the Bible does not have. He notes that in Leviticus 10:6 Aaron and his sons had to have something on their heads, a miter or cap, while Paul says it is a shame for a man to pray with something on his head.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 30:00 Come on, there we go, that these two things he said is not backed up in Scripture, and you got to understand that Paul knows this, and you got to understand that when you read him you think he’s giving you Scripture and he’s not. What he’s doing, he’s trying to answer these men from their own ego, their own selfish importance of having some kind of demands on the wife that the Bible doesn’t have. Leviticus 10:6, Moses said to Aaron, this is Aaron’s sons Eleazar and Ithamar, and Aaron all got to not uncover their heads. Now Paul said it was a shame for a man to pray or prophesy with something on his head, or not on his head, I’m sorry, and here in the Bible they had to have what? Something on their head. It was a miter, it was a cap. Now you know Paul knows this. Is this helping you? Are you getting this now?

Scripture in this part

Scripture (NKJV)

Leviticus 10:6 (NKJV)

And Moses said to Aaron, and to Eleazar and Ithamar, his sons, “Do not uncover your heads nor tear your clothes, lest you die, and wrath come upon all the people. But let your brethren, the whole house of Israel, bewail the burning which the LORD has kindled.

— Leviticus 10:6 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 30:33

Does the Bible require a woman to cover her head to minister to the Lord?

▶ Watch this part (31:14)

Short answer: He points out that the priest sets the woman before the Lord and uncovers her head while she offers a sacrifice, so he asks how this can be if she cannot minister with her head uncovered. He says Psalm 140 gives the key, and that the covering is the Lord Jesus Christ and His authority covering us.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 31:14 Not only that, we got the woman. She can’t be in the house of God praying and ministering to the Lord without something on her head, but here the priest shall set the woman before the Lord and uncover the woman’s what? Head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands. Here she is doing a sacrifice unto God, and her head is what? Uncovered. Oh my gosh, how can this be? See, Paul knows this stuff. Now, you know, Psalms 140 gives us the key: “Lord, You have covered my head in the day of battle.” What does that covering mean? Those shadow things, he’s trying to show us that we have got to have the Lord Jesus Christ and His authority covering us. Amen, and that’s our covering.

▶ 32:12 You know, where we got a hats, he’s got a hat here. My goodness, she’s in, this guy’s out, according to Paul. You know, he’s got a covering. I mean, I tell you, no lightning bolt struck him down or anything. Can you imagine that? And God loves, just like that. Thank you for wearing that hat today. Sometimes Tim has a hat on. Where’s, yeah, yeah, he has a hat on. Do you get it, folks? Now Paul sets up his ultimate answer using ego arguments. Ego is the conceit of self-importance, personal importance. “This is important to me, and when you agree with me it feeds my ego.”

Scripture in this part

Scripture (NKJV)

Numbers 5:18 (NKJV)

Then the priest shall stand the woman before the LORD, uncover the woman’s head, and put the offering for remembering in her hands, which is the grain offering of jealousy. And the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that brings a curse.

— Numbers 5:18 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 31:25 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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Psalm 140:7 (NKJV)

O GOD the Lord, the strength of my salvation, You have covered my head in the day of battle.

— Psalm 140:7 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 31:53

Why does Paul say the woman is the glory of the man?

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Short answer: He says Paul sets up his ultimate answer using ego arguments, and “ego is the conceit of self-importance.” He reads the verses saying man is the image and glory of God and woman the glory of the man, and says Paul is feeding the ego first because “he’s going to pop that ego in a minute.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 33:02 “If the woman be not covered, let her be shaved; for it is a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven,” sheared like a sheep, “then let her be covered. For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, for as much as he is the image and glory,” and splendor, “of God, but the woman is the glory,” the splendor, the brightness, “of the man.” Now here we got a real problem. He just fed these guys’ ego. “Yeah, yeah, man, we were made directly by God. Hallelujah. Eve, yeah, yeah, God created man, and God created woman out of the man’s rib. Yeah, she’s a second-class citizen.” Boy, he’s really feeding her ego. Why? Because he’s going to pop that ego in a minute.

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Scripture (NKJV)

1 Corinthians 11:6-7 (NKJV)

For if a woman is not covered, let her also be shorn. But if it is shameful for a woman to be shorn or shaved, let her be covered. For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.

— 1 Corinthians 11:6-7 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 33:02

More questions this message answers

Short answers drawn only from what he says in this message, each with the moment in the video.

What question does this message take up?

Whether we pray and prophesy with our head covered or uncovered. He says “Paul’s going to hit this thing today,” starting with a chain of command, and he is going to answer it from 1 Corinthians 11.

▶ Watch at 0:00

Scripture (NKJV)

Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head.

— 1 Corinthians 11:4 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 22:20

Why does Paul start by saying “be followers of me”?

He says it is important because when Paul comes to his conclusion, “you’re going to need this introductory subject.” The point is to follow Christ, and people who follow Christ.

▶ Watch at 1:23

Scripture (NKJV)

Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.

— 1 Corinthians 11:1 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 1:29

Did Jesus teach anything besides the Scriptures?

He says no. Jesus only taught the Scriptures and “didn’t teach other books,” even though books of Greek and Roman mythology, philosophers and Jewish traditions were available. He says a preacher should be preaching the Scriptures, not their opinion or some church doctrine.

▶ Watch at 3:07

Did the apostles ever quit or burn out?

He says there is no record of them quitting, giving up, or having nervous breakdowns. They kept preaching and serving God all the days of their lives, “till their hearts stopped or they were killed.”

▶ Watch at 6:10

How did the Corinthians respond when Paul corrected them?

He says that although they were crude, with division, sexual immorality and idolatry, they would change when Paul corrected and taught them, and he honored them for it. “When we hear truth, let’s change.”

▶ Watch at 7:03

Scripture (NKJV)

Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you.

— 1 Corinthians 11:2 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 7:05

What does Colossians 2:8 mean by “capture you through philosophy”?

He says “spoil” means capture you like a bandit, and that philosophy is the way of life and values that you live by. They capture your mind through philosophy and “vain, fruitless deceit.”

▶ Watch at 9:07

Scripture (NKJV)

Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

— Colossians 2:8 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 9:30

Does Paul treat the apostles’ letters as Scripture?

He says that in 2 Thessalonians 2:15 Paul is declaring that the epistles written by Peter, Paul, John and James were Scripture. He says that is why arguing about canonization of the Bible is fruitless.

▶ Watch at 12:00

Scripture (NKJV)

Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.

— 2 Thessalonians 2:15 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 12:20

Is Jesus under the authority of God?

He says it plainly says Jesus is under the leadership and authority of God, and that Stephen saw Jesus standing at the right hand of the glory of God. He says the Godhead is plural, with an order of authority.

▶ Watch at 14:53

Scripture (NKJV)

But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”

— Acts 7:55-56 (NKJV) (quoted; reference not named in the message)▶ Hear it at 15:05

Does the church have authority over the elements?

He says Jesus has direct authority over the elements, which is why He could say “Peace, be still” and heal the sick. The church can do these things only as Jesus gives us permission.

▶ Watch at 20:34

Scripture (NKJV)

Then He arose and rebuked the wind, and said to the sea, “Peace, be still!” And the wind ceased and there was a great calm.

— Mark 4:39 (NKJV) (quoted; reference not named in the message)▶ Hear it at 20:55

Is Paul talking about every woman or every wife?

He asks whether the word there is “every woman” or “every wife,” and says Paul is talking about husband and wife, “not talking about single women at all.” Yet these churches interpret it to mean women have to wear something on their head.

▶ Watch at 22:29

Scripture (NKJV)

But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for that is one and the same as if her head were shaved.

— 1 Corinthians 11:5 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 23:49

Will Jesus hear the prayer of a woman who is not covered?

He says Jesus does not care where the covering is, and he asks, “He ain’t going to hear my prayer because I don’t have a covering? No.”

▶ Watch at 23:48

Doesn’t the Bible say women must keep silent in church?

He raises this objection and answers that here Paul says women can pray and prophesy, and asks how you prophesy “with your mouth shut.” He says Paul is establishing that women can be involved in the church.

▶ Watch at 26:51

Can you prophesy with music and singing?

He says the word prophecy in 1 Chronicles 25 is the same as the other words, except it means we sing and play musical instruments by the inspiration and anointing of the Spirit. We can edify and prophesy with our instrument without song and with instruments with song.

▶ Watch at 27:50

Scripture (NKJV)

Moreover David and the captains of the army separated for the service some of the sons of Asaph, of Heman, and of Jeduthun, who should prophesy with harps, stringed instruments, and cymbals. And the number of the skilled men performing their service was:

— 1 Chronicles 25:1 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 27:55

Why does Paul say a man should not cover his head?

He says Paul said it was a shame for a man to pray or prophesy with something on his head, yet in the Bible Aaron and his sons had to have something on their head, a miter or cap. He says Paul knows this.

▶ Watch at 30:00

Scripture (NKJV)

And Moses said to Aaron, and to Eleazar and Ithamar, his sons, “Do not uncover your heads nor tear your clothes, lest you die, and wrath come upon all the people. But let your brethren, the whole house of Israel, bewail the burning which the LORD has kindled.

— Leviticus 10:6 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 30:33

What is our covering according to Psalm 140?

He quotes “Lord, You have covered my head in the day of battle” and says that covering points to having the Lord Jesus Christ and His authority covering us.

▶ Watch at 31:14

Scripture (NKJV)

O GOD the Lord, the strength of my salvation, You have covered my head in the day of battle.

— Psalm 140:7 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 31:53

About this transcript

This transcript comes from YouTube’s automatic English captions, which supply the timing and the words. Punctuation, capitalization and paragraphing were added by hand, and obvious caption errors were corrected; his wording was not rewritten. “[unclear]” marks a word or name that was not clear. In the sermon he cites “1 Chronicles 25:4” for the words about David separating people to prophesy; in the NKJV that wording is in 1 Chronicles 25:1, and Heman’s fourteen sons and three daughters are in 1 Chronicles 25:5–6, so those passages are shown here. His words are unchanged. Some of the sermon refers to things on the screen, such as pictures and a scarf and hat he is wearing, which are not visible in the transcript. Select any time to jump to that moment on YouTube.

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