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From the sermonSix of Seven Seals — Part 2 · Pastor David G. Kincer▶ 0:00

In this second message on six of the seven seals, Pastor David G. Kincer works through the third horse, the black horse with scales and the price of wheat and barley, and argues from Mark 6:37 that it does not describe a famine. He then covers the fourth seal and the pale horse named Death, Satan’s limited authority, the fifth seal martyrs and the martyred number, and the sixth seal with its earthquake, darkened sun, blood-red moon and rolled-up sky.

How does he open this message, and how does he introduce the black horse? (Revelation 6:5-6)

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Short answer: He says Chicago and Washington, D.C., “are the murder capitals of the United States of America,” that “it’s not the gun that kills people, it’s the one pulling the trigger,” and “if you change the heart of a person, you have control.” He then moves on: “the third horse is a black horse, and its rider has a pair of scales.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 0:00 Chicago, by the way, and Washington, D.C., are the murder capitals of the United States of America. In Washington, D.C., you’re not allowed to have a gun, and in Chicago there’s strict gun controls, and guess what? They have the highest murder rate in America, and they just don’t get it. You see, it’s not the gun that kills people, it’s the one pulling the trigger. Are you there? So if you change the heart of a person, you have control. Amen. Anyway, just thought I’d throw that out. Okay, the third horse is a black horse, and its rider has a pair of scales. Wow. And there’s a voice saying, “A measure of wheat for a denarius, and three measures of barley for a denarius, but don’t hurt the oil and wine.”

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Revelation 6:5-6 (NKJV)

When He opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come and see.” So I looked, and behold, a black horse, and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, “A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not harm the oil and the wine.”

— Revelation 6:5-6 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 0:43 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

What do others say the black horse is, and why does he say “wine and oil” does not fit a famine?

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Short answer: He says, “What do they say this horse is? Famine. Yes, that’s exactly what they say it is.” He then argues that when God says “don’t touch things, don’t touch My people, it means you don’t bother them,” so “don’t touch the wine and oil” means those are not bothered: “We got plenty of wine and oil. That doesn’t sound like a famine, does it?”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 1:08 Now, what do you think they say this horse is? Come on, you know, you’ve read the books, don’t play dumb with me, you’re just afraid I’m going to expose you. What do they say this horse is? Famine. Yes, that’s exactly what they say it is. And boy, it sure sounds like that when they told us it’s famine. Oh yeah, a pair of scales, you know, a measure of wheat for a denarius and three measures of barley, and don’t touch the wine and oil. Okay, but when you go into the Bible and God says don’t touch things, don’t touch My people, it means you don’t bother them. Isn’t that right? So taking the Bible’s expression, don’t touch the wine and oil, the wine and oil is what? Not bothered. We got plenty of wine and oil. That doesn’t sound like a famine, does it?

How does he use Mark 6:37 and the feeding of the 5,000 to work out the price of wheat? (Mark 6:37)

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Short answer: He says the feeding of the 5,000 was “actually about 15,000 when you count the women and the children,” and reads Mark 6:37, where the apostle says, “Shall we go and buy 200 denarii of bread and give them to eat?” He reasons that “one measure feeds one person,” and that “if we buy barley instead of wheat, we can eat three times.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 2:10 Second problem they got is Jesus feeding the 5,000, which is actually about 15,000 when you count the women and the children. Okay, you ready for this? Mark 6:37, the apostle says, “Shall we go and buy 200 denarii of bread and give them to eat?” Oh, now we got a monetary amount. Jesus said feed these people, there’s 5,000 men plus women and children. Women always outnumber men in this generation anyway. I mean, look around you. When it comes to God, the women are there, their men are off golfing and watching football and doing their thing, except these men.

▶ 3:06 Hallelujah. And of course you at least got the same number of children, so there’s about 15,000 people there. Okay, we know then by this story that one measure feeds one person, ain’t that right? Are you following me? Is this simple arithmetic over your head, college kids? We got in the story of the loaves and the fishes that one measure feeds what? One person. One measure of wheat feeds one person, and we can get three measures of barley, so if we buy barley instead of wheat, we can eat three times.

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Mark 6:37 (NKJV)

But He answered and said to them, “You give them something to eat.” And they said to Him, “Shall we go and buy two hundred denarii worth of bread and give them something to eat?”

— Mark 6:37 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 2:28

What does he conclude about the cost of wheat and barley, and whether this is a famine?

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Short answer: He says 200 denarii for 15,000 people comes to “0.013 denarii per person,” that “you can buy a hundred measures of wheat for one denarius,” and “folks, that’s not famine.” He says with barley “you can feed yourself for 300 days, a whole year almost,” and “so we don’t have a famine here.” He adds that people “like bad news” and “trouble gets our attention.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 3:58 Right, now let’s find out what it cost for one measure of wheat, then we’ll know we got a famine or not. Hallelujah. Okay, we take the 15,000 people for 200 denarii, and we come up with 0.013 denarii per person. It doesn’t even take one denarius to get one measure of wheat. You can buy a hundred measures of wheat for one denarius, you can feed yourself for almost a hundred days with one denarius. Folks, that’s not famine. Are you out there? You see, and where do we go to find out things? The book.

▶ 5:00 And so you can feed yourself for 300 days, a whole year almost, if you buy the barley. So we don’t have a famine here. They want it to look bad because people like bad news. You know, we say anything good’s happening at the end time, big deal, we don’t like that, we want trouble. Man, trouble gets our attention. Are you out there? I told you this is a college course, you’re going to have to hear this several times, and that math was really deep, you know, that math was simple percentages and decimals, you know, but that’s real deep stuff. Hallelujah.

What do Revelation 7:3, Revelation 9:4 and the days of Noah add to his argument? (Revelation 7:3; 9:4; Matthew 24:37-38)

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Short answer: He reads Revelation 7:3 and 9:4 about not hurting the earth, the grass or any tree, and says “the oil is used for cooking and a lot of other things, and they can sell it and make money, that’s a good investment.” He concludes “things aren’t famine here, things are looking pretty good,” and recalls Jesus’ words, “As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the coming of the Son of Man,” when people were “buying, they were selling,” “marrying, giving in marriage,” and “life is normal.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 5:54 Church, Revelation 7:3 says, “Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees.” Revelation 9:4 says, don’t hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing nor any tree. And so the wine and the oil, the oil is used for cooking and a lot of other things, and they can sell it and make money, that’s a good investment. The fig tree, the oil was a great investment to have in your yard. Amen. And so things aren’t famine here, things are looking pretty good. Didn’t Jesus say, “As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the coming of the Son of Man”? Isn’t that right? They were buying, they were selling, duh, they were marrying, giving in marriage, duh, they ate, they drank, duh. Isn’t that what we do in normal life? Duh, life is normal. Are you with me so far? Up with the Bible and down with The Late Great Planet Earth.

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Revelation 7:3 (NKJV)

saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.”

— Revelation 7:3 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 5:55
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Revelation 9:4 (NKJV)

They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.

— Revelation 9:4 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 5:59
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Matthew 24:37-38 (NKJV)

But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,

— Matthew 24:37-38 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 6:33 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

What does he say the fourth horse is, and how much authority does it have? (Revelation 6:7-8; Hebrews 2:14)

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Short answer: He says the rider on the pale horse “is Death,” with “Hades, the abiding place of the dead,” following, and that he is “given authority and power over one-fourth of the earth to kill with the sword, with famine, with plagues, and with wild beasts.” He says “this devil isn’t the big bad guy you claim he is, and he has no authority if God doesn’t what? Give it to him,” and “we know that this Death is Satan,” citing Hebrews 2:14 on Jesus destroying “him who had the power of death.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 8:38 Okay, now here we come to the fourth rider. All right, he’s on a pale horse, and the rider is Death. It explains exactly what this rider is. The rider is Death, Hades, the abiding place of the dead, follows right behind. He’s given authority and power over one-fourth of the earth to kill with the sword, with famine, with plagues, and with wild beasts. Acts of God, these are acts of God. The sword is war, but these other things are acts of God, and it explains very clearly that this guy is out through war and famine and other things.

▶ 9:23 What they’re trying to say, the other things, say that this one says it, so we know what this guy’s producing: famine and acts of God, volcanoes and deaths by all this. But he’s only got authority over what? Twenty-five percent of the earth. This devil isn’t the big bad guy you claim he is, and he has no authority if God doesn’t what? Give it to him. And we know that this Death is Satan. Jesus destroyed him in Hebrews 2:14, “him who had the power of death, that is, the devil.” Satan, we know in Revelation that his name is Apollyon,

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Revelation 6:7-8 (NKJV)

When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come and see.” So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.

— Revelation 6:7-8 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 8:40 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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Hebrews 2:14 (NKJV)

Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,

— Hebrews 2:14 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 9:56

What does he say about the Destroyer, Satan’s limited power, and who has the real power? (Exodus 12:23; Revelation 9:11; 12:9; John 10:10)

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Short answer: He says the angel at the Passover was “called the destroyer, so we know that was Satan coming, and he had permission to kill the firstborn,” and “he can’t do beans without God giving him permission.” He says Satan “only has power over one-fourth of your life. Don’t give him that much credit.” Asked who has the real power: “Jesus Christ.” He says “he came to kill, steal, and destroy,” and “this is Satan getting people to follow him and die eternally.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 10:09 Destroyer, or in the Greek, the Destroyer. And so the angel over there in Israel that came through at the Passover and was killing the firstborn was called the destroyer, so we know that was Satan coming, and he had permission to kill the firstborn. He can’t do beans without God giving him permission, and see, God can’t do bad things, so He has what? Satan doing it. Satan’s ready and willing any time God will let him, but he only has power over one-fourth, so he only has power over one-fourth of your life. Don’t give him that much credit, any more credit than it’s due him. Could that be an amen? Who has the real power? Jesus Christ. Hallelujah. Now, Revelation 12:9 says that great dragon was cast out, we know the dragon, that old serpent in the garden, called the Devil and Satan, which deceives the whole world. We know who he is. “They had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit.”

▶ 11:21 Revelation 9:11 called Abaddon, the destroying angel, but in the Greek, Apollyon, the Destroyer. Hebrews 2:12, as I said before, Jesus destroyed him who had the power of death, that is the devil. So we know the rider on this horse is who? Satan himself. And we know that he came to kill, steal, and destroy. Isn’t that what he does? Isn’t that what Jesus said, he comes to steal, kill, and destroy? When you follow Satan, he’s just out to destroy you, he’s out to take what you got, and he’s out to kill you in the eternal lake of fire. That’s his goal. And people, this has been going on since the beginning of the world. And remember the rich man in the parable of the prodigal, of the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, was in hell, the abiding place of the dead. You see, so this is Satan getting people to follow him and die eternally.

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Exodus 12:23 (NKJV)

For the LORD will pass through to strike the Egyptians; and when He sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the LORD will pass over the door and not allow the destroyer to come into your houses to strike you.

— Exodus 12:23 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 10:18 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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Revelation 12:9 (NKJV)

So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

— Revelation 12:9 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 11:05
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Revelation 9:11 (NKJV)

And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.

— Revelation 9:11 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 11:21
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John 10:10 (NKJV)

The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.

— John 10:10 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 11:44 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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Luke 16:19-31 (NKJV)

“There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’ “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ”

— Luke 16:19-31 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 12:13 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

What does he say about how many people will be saved? (Romans 3:23)

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Short answer: He says that if Satan gets one-fourth, “that means that a lot of people are going to go to heaven,” and “that means that the blood of Christ has that much power.” He cites that “all have sinned and come short of the glory of God” and asks how many sinners there are in the world: “One hundred percent.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 12:30 Are you out there? Now, that means that a lot of people are going to go to heaven. Oh, well, that means that the blood of Christ has that much power. Hallelujah. A great harvest, including you. Now, the Bible says all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Satan is getting one-fourth of them, but how many sinners is there in the world? One hundred percent. Is this arithmetic too tough on you?

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Romans 3:23 (NKJV)

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

— Romans 3:23 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 13:04 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

What does he say about giving Satan too much credit, and hope despite our flaws? (Romans 3:10)

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Short answer: He says “we have given Satan much more credit than he deserves, and we’ve diminished the power of Christ’s death on the cross way below what it really can do.” When people see flaws in themselves and think there is no hope, he says, “Yes, there is hope, because right here we see you have a 75 percent chance of making it in spite of your flaws.” He also says, “there’s none righteous, no, not one. We’re working on righteousness, but we still have some flaws.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 13:26 You see, we have given Satan much more credit than he deserves, and we’ve diminished the power of Christ’s death on the cross way below what it really can do. And you measure that by a few Scriptures and your life, you see flaws in yourself and you go, “Oh man, there’s no hope.” Yes, there is hope, because right here we see you have a 75 percent chance of making it in spite of your flaws. Hallelujah. Now that’s good news. That is really good news. Amen. Hallelujah. Now, there’s none righteous, no, not one. We’re working on righteousness, but we still have some flaws, and I think we’d all raise your hand if I said raise your hand, think we may be a little good, but we still got some things in us. Woo.

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Romans 3:10 (NKJV)

As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one;

— Romans 3:10 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 14:17 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

Who are the martyrs of the fifth seal, and what does he say about renouncing the Bible by our works? (Revelation 6:9-11)

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Short answer: He says the fifth seal shows “white-robed souls, martyred for the Word and the testimony,” who “died because they would not renounce Jesus Christ and they would not renounce the Bible.” He says “in America we don’t verbally renounce Jesus Christ. The Bible says by our works we renounce Him,” and that “when we say that homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle, we have renounced the Bible, because the Bible says it’s not,” and “when we say that it’s okay for Christians to divorce, we just renounce the Bible.” He adds that “you may not have power over it, the other person may want to divorce you.” He says those martyred “would not budge, like John the Baptist,” and “you stand up for truth and you’re going to get abuse.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 14:31 Now comes the fifth seal. Now we see white-robed souls, martyred for the Word and the testimony. Okay, and here I got it in a little picture here, the only picture I could find. These guys, you know, they’re clothed in white, and they’re martyred. That martyr means they were killed because they followed Jesus and served Jesus and served His Word. That’s a martyr. They died because they would not renounce Jesus Christ and they would not renounce the Bible. In America we don’t verbally renounce Jesus Christ. The Bible says by our works we renounce Him. You see, when we say that homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle, we have renounced the Bible, because the Bible says it’s not. When we say that [unclear] and sexual immorality are okay, and that’s the way it is in this generation, we just renounce the Bible, because the Bible says no sex should be saved for marriage, and married one person and stay married for life, ain’t that right?

▶ 15:48 When we say that it’s okay for Christians to divorce, we just renounce the Bible. Now, you may not have power over it, the other person may want to divorce you, now it’s not a thing you can do, but when we say it’s okay to do it, we just renounce it, and that’s what Christians are doing. So see, we deny Him and renounce Him by our what? Actions. But these are martyred because they would not budge, like John the Baptist. He told Herod, “You can’t have your brother’s wife. What you did is unscriptural. You divorced your wife and you went and took your brother’s wife and had an affair and married her.” John the Baptist said that is wrong, and they cut off his head for it. You stand up for truth and you’re going to get abuse. Wow, that was good. Let’s say it: stand up for truth, you’ll get abused. You don’t stand up for truth, nobody’s going to care. Hallelujah.

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Revelation 6:9-11 (NKJV)

When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

— Revelation 6:9-11 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 14:35
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Mark 6:17-18 (NKJV)

For Herod himself had sent and laid hold of John, and bound him in prison for the sake of Herodias, his brother Philip’s wife; for he had married her. Because John had said to Herod, “It is not lawful for you to have your brother’s wife.”

— Mark 6:17-18 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 16:18 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

What does he say about the number of martyrs and why Christ has not yet returned? (Revelation 6:11)

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Short answer: He says the voice tells them “you’re to rest here till the martyred number is complete,” and “there’s going to be more martyrs.” He says “it’s very clear it isn’t the end yet, and this proves it’s not the end.” He says “He has a number, and when that number is reached, guess what? Jesus is coming,” which is why “He can’t come today, and He didn’t come yesterday, because the martyrs haven’t reached the number.” He says “there is no any-minute return of Christ, there is a special time, an appointed time.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 16:54 Now, he also says that you’re to rest here till the martyred number is complete. Wow. Not only were there martyrs when John saw, but he says there’s going to be more martyrs. So see, this is not a one-action thing. This is saying things are going to happen in the future, it didn’t just happen at that time. There are martyrs, and there’s going to be what? More martyrs. There was famines and plagues and wars and so forth, and there will be what? Famines, plagues, and wars. Are you with me? Amen. People turn on one another, they’re in the future, they’re turning on one another now, and they have what?

▶ 17:45 Turned on one another in days past and slaughtered and killed and hurt one another. He’s declaring a statement. Can you see that? It’s very clear it isn’t the end yet, and this proves it’s not the end. There’s more martyrs to come, we don’t know how many, He didn’t give us the number. He has a number, and when that number is reached, guess what? Jesus is coming. That’s one of the reasons why He can’t come today, and He didn’t come yesterday, because the martyrs haven’t reached the number. There is no any-minute return of Christ, there is a special time, an appointed time. Things will happen and things fulfilled, and then He will what? Come. And one of them is the martyrs.

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Revelation 6:11 (NKJV)

Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

— Revelation 6:11 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 16:59

What does he say the sixth seal’s blood-red moon, falling stars and rolled-up sky mean? (Revelation 6:12-14; Isaiah 34:4)

▶ Watch this part (18:46)

Short answer: He says an eclipse can make “the moon turns to blood because of the red coloration of the eclipse,” and that “we have meteorites falling out of the sky and they light up the sky.” Of the sixth seal he says there was “a great earthquake,” the sun “was black,” the moon “like blood,” and the sky “rolled up like a scroll.” He adds, “Isaiah said the same thing: the heavens will roll like a scroll, talking about the end times, the stars will fall. It’s all through the Bible, this is nothing new.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 18:46 Okay, we see nothing happening or going to happen that has not already happened and is happening. Correct? Correct. Yes. Okay, now let’s continue. The sixth seal. Woo. How many of you know when we have an eclipse of the sun, certain places in the earth, the moon turns to blood because of the red coloration of the eclipse? You’re looking at me like you didn’t know that. I have pictures. These are actual pictures. This is an actual picture of the moon during an eclipse of the sun where it is red. Well, we learned something today. Very interesting. Hallelujah. And here I thought you read the almanac and all these good books, but now you’re telling me you’ve been watching TV.

▶ 19:51 Isn’t that beautiful? The moon turned to blood, folks, I give you. And the stars falling from heaven, how many, you know, we have meteorites falling out of the sky and they light up the sky, and there’s periods where a bunch of them have done it. Okay, now getting back to the sixth seal, there was a great earthquake, the sun was black, it went out, the moon like blood, and we just give you an illustration of that. But here this moon, sun is gone, and the moon is like blood, it’s red, the stars dropped, the sky rolled up like a scroll. Now, how many even know the sky has the sun in it, the moon in it, am I right? The stars.

▶ 20:59 And it’s what? Rolled up like a scroll. It’s gone. First it’s black and red, then it’s gone, and stars drop, then it’s gone. Are you there? This is what John said. It’s gone, it’s rolled up, a scroll, you roll it up. Done. Isaiah said the same thing: the heavens will roll like a scroll, talking about the end times, the stars will fall. It’s all through the Bible, this is nothing new.

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Revelation 6:12-14 (NKJV)

I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.

— Revelation 6:12-14 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 20:18
Scripture (NKJV)

Isaiah 34:4 (NKJV)

All the host of heaven shall be dissolved, And the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll; All their host shall fall down As the leaf falls from the vine, And as fruit falling from a fig tree.

— Isaiah 34:4 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 21:26

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Short answers drawn only from what he says in this message, each with the moment in the video.

What point does he make with his opening statement about guns and murder?

He says, “it’s not the gun that kills people, it’s the one pulling the trigger,” and “if you change the heart of a person, you have control.”

▶ Watch at 0:00

What does he say people claim the black horse is?

He says, “What do they say this horse is? Famine. Yes, that’s exactly what they say it is.”

▶ Watch at 1:08

How many people does he say were fed in the feeding of the 5,000?

He says it was “actually about 15,000 when you count the women and the children.”

▶ Watch at 2:10

How long does he say one denarius would feed a person?

He says, “you can feed yourself for almost a hundred days with one denarius,” and with barley, “for 300 days, a whole year almost.”

▶ Watch at 3:58

What does he say about the days of Noah and normal life?

He says, “Didn’t Jesus say, ‘As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the coming of the Son of Man’?” and that they were “buying, they were selling, duh, they were marrying, giving in marriage, duh, they ate, they drank, duh. Isn’t that what we do in normal life?”

▶ Watch at 5:54

Who does he say the rider of the pale horse is?

He says, “the rider is Death,” and “we know that this Death is Satan.”

▶ Watch at 8:38

How much power does he say Satan has?

He says Satan is “ready and willing any time God will let him, but he only has power over one-fourth.” He says, “Don’t give him that much credit.”

▶ Watch at 10:09

What does he say about hope despite our flaws?

He says, “Yes, there is hope, because right here we see you have a 75 percent chance of making it in spite of your flaws.”

▶ Watch at 13:26

What does he say a martyr is?

He says, “That martyr means they were killed because they followed Jesus and served Jesus and served His Word. That’s a martyr.”

▶ Watch at 14:31

Why does he say Jesus has not yet returned?

He says, “He has a number, and when that number is reached, guess what? Jesus is coming. That’s one of the reasons why He can’t come today, and He didn’t come yesterday, because the martyrs haven’t reached the number.”

▶ Watch at 16:54

What does he say happens to the sky in the sixth seal?

He says, “there was a great earthquake, the sun was black,” and “the moon like blood,” and that the sky is “rolled up like a scroll.”

▶ Watch at 18:46

About this transcript

This transcript comes from YouTube’s automatic English captions, which supply the timing and the words. Punctuation, capitalization and paragraphing were added by hand, and obvious caption errors were corrected; his wording was not rewritten. “[unclear]” marks a word or name that was not clear. Editor notes: the captions garble “denarius” as “daenerys” and “dinys”; they are written here as denarius or denarii. The captions read “Apolon” and “abidon” for Apollyon and Abaddon (Revelation 9:11), and “seed” in Revelation 7:3, which the verse gives as “sea.” He says “Hebrews 2:12” at about 11:30 and means Hebrews 2:14. Two phrases are marked [unclear]: a name after “Calvary Chapel guy” (about 7:50) and a word before “and sexual immorality” (about 15:00). He refers to a well-known end-time book author by name in the transcript (about 7:40); the name is left out of the answers. His opening claims about murder rates and gun laws (about 0:00), his description of a red moon during an eclipse of the sun (about 19:00) and his arithmetic are left as he said them and have not been fact-checked here. Select any time to jump to that moment on YouTube.

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