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From the sermonMany Adversaries Part 2 · Pastor David G. Kincer▶ 0:00

In this second part Pastor David G. Kincer explains that the Old Testament has civil laws, spiritual laws and shadow laws that point to Jesus, using the shadow of a cross. He ties this to communion, assembling, praise and baptism, explains why people were stoned, and says Jesus fulfilled the shadow laws and is the only way.

What are the three kinds of laws in the Old Testament?

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Short answer: He says there are civil laws (like “Thou shalt not murder”), which carry a punishment; spiritual laws (like seek the Lord and pray); and shadow laws. He says critics are “confused about the difference between civil, spiritual, and shadow laws.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 0:00 What people don’t understand is there’s three kinds of laws in the Bible in the Old Testament. Are you ready? There’s civil laws. All right? Thou shalt not murder. That’s a civil law and it has a punishment if you break it. Then there are spiritual laws. Seek the Lord your God and you will find him. Pray, you know, come before him and sing. See that’s spiritual laws. And then there is shadow laws. As we heard earlier, shadow laws. Say the word shadow. Yeah. And this is what these people are confused about the difference between civil, spiritual, and shadow laws.

What does he mean by “shadow laws”? (Hebrews 10:1)

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Short answer: He cites Hebrews 10:1, the law is a “shadow of good things to come,” and uses a shadow of a cross: from the shadow alone you cannot tell its color or material, but following it leads you to the real cross. In the same way, shadow laws “point to the real thing, and that is Jesus Christ.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 0:53 Now don’t look at me like that. I’m telling you the truth. Hebrews 10:1: “For the law having a— what? Shadow of good things to come.” Say it. Shadow of good things to come. “And not the very image of the things can never with these sacrifices which they offer year by year make those who approach perfect.” But you see, they pointed to Jesus who can make you perfect. Now, you see up there on the screen a shadow of a cross. Now, because you’re an intelligent society, you know that’s a cross, isn’t it? But can you tell me the color of that cross?

▶ 1:45 Can you tell me the dimensions of that cross? Can you tell me if it’s made of metal, wood, plastic, stone? No, all you can tell me is what? It’s a cross. And if I follow the shadow, I will get to what? The real cross. And I’ll see its color. I’ll know its dimensions. I’ll know its purpose. And so, you can’t understand the details of God’s words by following shadow laws. They point to the real thing, and that is Jesus Christ. Amen. Now, folks, that’s good stuff. And this is what Mr. Savage and Mr. Bush and Mr. Obama and Oprah has got all mixed up.

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Hebrews 10:1-2 (NKJV)

For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins.

— Hebrews 10:1-2 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 1:00

What does he say happens when people bash the Bible?

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Short answer: He says Jesus came to make us new people, so “old things passed away,” and he lists adultery, homosexuality, stealing, murder and hatred as the old things. He says “when you bash the Bible who points to Christ, you are bashing Christ” and removing the force that can change your life.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 2:35 They don’t know their Bible. And they’re trying to tell people what the Bible says when they don’t know their Bible. Mr. Obama, I read my Bible. I know my Bible. And I know you’re wrong. Do you guys see that clearly? Yeah, it’s very clear. Did Jesus come to make us new people? Old things passed away. Isn’t that right? What’s our old things? Adultery, homosexuality, stealing, murder, hatred. You see, Jesus came and he has the power to fulfill what God destiny is for us. And when you bash the Bible who points to Christ, you are bashing Christ and you’re eliminating the force in your life that can change your life and change society.

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2 Corinthians 5:17 (NKJV)

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

— 2 Corinthians 5:17 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 3:00 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

Did God want the sacrifices? (Isaiah 1:11)

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Short answer: He cites Isaiah 1:11 and says God did require the sacrifices, but “his goal wasn’t the shadow”; the people embraced the example and did not do what it said. He says the shadow laws were there “to remind them to treat people right, to live right, and to do right.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 3:33 So these are shadow laws, Mr. Savage. They have nothing to do with anything except to remind people in the Old Testament to live holy and right. Even in the Old Testament, Mr. Obama, God told him that he didn’t want these things. He told him that shadow laws were reminders to live right. Isaiah 1:11: “What purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices to me? I don’t delight in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats when you come to me. Who has required this?” Well, he required it. He’s the one said to offer lambs. He’s the one said to burn incense. He’s the one said to take the Sabbath day off and worship God and meet together and come into the— He said all that. But see, his goal wasn’t the shadow.

▶ 4:25 His goal was good. And they were embracing the shadow, the example, and not doing what the example said to do. Are you with me? And we read on and we see it. Bring no more worthless sacrifices. Incense is an abomination to me. New moon, Sabbath, feast. My soul hates when you spread your hands and make many prayers. I will hide my eyes from you and I will not hear you. And then he says what those shadow laws are for. Wash yourselves. Make yourself clean. Put away the evil of your doings from my eyes. Cease to do evil and learn to do good. You see, the shadow laws were there to remind them to treat people right, to live right, and to do right. And they were caught up in the shadow laws.

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Isaiah 1:11-13 (NKJV)

“To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices to Me?” Says the LORD. “I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams And the fat of fed cattle. I do not delight in the blood of bulls, Or of lambs or goats. “When you come to appear before Me, Who has required this from your hand, To trample My courts? Bring no more futile sacrifices; Incense is an abomination to Me. The New Moons, the Sabbaths, and the calling of assemblies— I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred meeting.

— Isaiah 1:11-13 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 3:57
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Isaiah 1:16-17 (NKJV)

“Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean; Put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes. Cease to do evil, Learn to do good; Seek justice, Rebuke the oppressor; Defend the fatherless, Plead for the widow.

— Isaiah 1:16-17 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 4:57

How do the Lord’s table and assembling together work as reminders?

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Short answer: He says the Lord’s table reminds us that Jesus died for our sins and gives new life, and we miss the point if we take communion but “don’t go to the real thing.” He says we assemble to be “stirred up to love one another” and do good when we leave, not for music or drama.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 5:20 See, they embraced the shadow. Is this clear to you? Now, watch this. Let’s bring it up to date. The Lord’s table. Jesus said, as of— do you do this in what? Remembrance of me. It reminds us that he died for our sins that we can get forgiveness even as a Christian. And he gives us that new life, that resurrection. That’s what the communion table’s for. But when we just take communion and embrace communion and don’t go to the real thing, we live any way we want, don’t we? Let’s take another one.

▶ 6:11 Assembling together. The Bible says, “Assembling yourself together, even the more so as you see the day approaching, stirring up one another to love and to good works.” See, that’s why we come together is to remind ourselves that we are to go out and be a light to this world that they may see our good works. That’s the purpose of assembling. It’s not music. It’s not drama. It’s not some prophet or priest. It’s we are supposed to be stirred up to love one another, not hurt one another, and do good when we leave. It’s not having a bell ringing message and you know some athlete come in and give their testimony or whatever. We should come to church too like the old the New Testament church when the Roman leaders wrote to each other about the church.

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Luke 22:19 (NKJV)

And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”

— Luke 22:19 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 5:43 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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Hebrews 10:24-25 (NKJV)

And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.

— Hebrews 10:24-25 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 6:13 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

How are praise and baptism reminders, not substitutes?

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Short answer: He says praise and worship is a sacrifice, citing the “sacrifice of praise, the fruit of your lips,” and that “if your worship isn’t stirring you to live good, then you’re not worshiping.” He says baptism “reminds you that Jesus died on the cross for your sins” and made you a new man.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 7:05 They get together on Sunday and they make a vow not to do wrong. Every Sunday they kept repeating the vow. Why? Because they messed up sometimes and they had to change and they had to recommit to doing right. Have any of you Christians ever messed up? Yeah. You see? Hallelujah. Praise and worship. My gosh. You know, when I got saved, praise and worship was taboo. Like the Holy Ghost baptism, man. If you were filled with the Holy Ghost, you were in a church on the other side of the street and everybody looked down on you. And if you praise and worship God, lifting your hands and dancing and, you know, being outwardly demonstrative, man, that’s horrible. Now everybody’s doing it. But folks, praise and worship is a sacrifice. In Hebrews, it says, “Bring therefore the sacrifice of praise, the fruit of your lips, giving thanks to his name.” That’s our sacrifices.

▶ 8:01 But the sacrifice is not what we embrace. We embrace who the sacrifice brings us to. And that’s the presence of Jesus. And Jesus wants us to live right. Isn’t that right? So it reminds us again to what? Live right, do good. And if your worship isn’t stirring you to live good, then you’re not worshiping. You’re enjoying music. That’s all. Hallelujah. H2O means water baptism in case you didn’t know that. You know, people got their baptism or certificate. Baptism doesn’t mean a hill of beans. Baptism reminds you that Jesus died on the cross for your sins, rose from the grave and made you a new man and an overcomer of sin.

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Hebrews 13:15 (NKJV)

Therefore by Him let us continually offer the sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of our lips, giving thanks to His name.

— Hebrews 13:15 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 7:55 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

Where do most American Christians put their confidence? (1 Samuel 15:22)

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Short answer: He asks whether Christians embrace the shadow or the reality, saying “We’re putting confidence in our church. We’re putting confidence in our baptism.” He cites 1 Samuel 15:22, “to obey is better than sacrifice,” and says God wants us to listen to Him, respond and live for Him.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 8:51 He put away sin. The old man is dead. So every time we see someone baptized, we are reminded that we’re new creatures. Sin no more has control over us. See, it’s a reminder. But what do most American Christians embrace? Do they embrace the shadow of the thing or do they really get the reality of the thing? See, we’re putting confidence in our church. We’re putting confidence in our baptism. We’re putting confidence and I take communion on Sunday when it should be pointing us to Jesus Christ and living for him. And that’s a good place for an amen. Now, these people are just wrong. Here it is again. 1st Samuel 15:22.

▶ 9:42 Has the Lord a great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to listen better than the fat of rams. God wants us to listen to him and respond to him and live for him. And the sacrifices were there to direct us to that. Amen. Now I want to focus in on a very significant shadow law. This is important for you. You young Christians, you need to get this in your cranial vacuum. You old folks need to shake the cobwebs out of your head here and get this in there. Are you ready?

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1 Samuel 15:22 (NKJV)

So Samuel said: “Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams.

— 1 Samuel 15:22 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 9:41

Why couldn’t they keep the shadow laws? (John 7:19)

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Short answer: He cites John 7:19, “Moses gave you the law, yet none of you keep it,” and says it was impossible because they were constantly unclean and “spent all their life trying to get clean.” He says the Jews embraced the shadow instead of what it pointed to, and warns we are in danger of doing the same.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 10:36 John 7:19, “Moses gave you the law, yet none of you keep it.” Why didn’t they keep it? Because it was impossible. Them guys were unclean every day. If they had sex with their spouse, they were unclean. If a bug landed on their— a bug landed on their plate or whatever, they were unclean. Every time you turn around, they’re unclean. They’re unclean. They spent all their life trying to get clean. The the shadow laws were impossible to keep. And yet the Jews embraced the shadow instead of what the shadow pointed to. And today we are embracing the shadow and to what the shadow points to. We’re in danger of that. Hallelujah.

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John 7:19 (NKJV)

Did not Moses give you the law, yet none of you keeps the law? Why do you seek to kill Me?”

— John 7:19 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 10:36

Why do some groups want you to follow them instead of Christ? (Galatians 6:13)

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Short answer: He cites Galatians 6:13 and says certain churches have you do certain things because “they glory in your flesh,” and that “they’re not wanting you to follow Christ.” He says the holy water that matters “is the baptism of the Holy Ghost and the word of the Lord.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 11:24 Galatians 6:13: “Neither they who are circumcised keep the law, but desire to have you circumcised so they may glory in your flesh.”

▶ 11:32 Why does the Catholic Church have holy water there and all that and all this [unclear] and all this? So they can glory. That’s a Catholic. It does nothing. The holy water does nothing. The holy water is the baptism of the Holy Ghost and the word of the Lord. That’s the holy water. That’s the real thing. Can I hear an amen? Amen. See, why does certain churches have you do the certain thing? They glory in your flesh. Why does Dan Savage try to get you to believe the Bible’s full of BS so he can glory in your flesh turning from the Bible? Yeah. Yeah, I got through. See, they want you to follow them. They’re not wanting you to follow Christ.

▶ 12:25 They want you to follow them, their group, their church. Now, that’s good preaching right there. And who are we to follow? And what word are we to follow? His word, right? Psalms 14 makes it even more clear. The Lord looked down from heaven to see if any understood who seek God. And his conclusion was they’ve all turned aside together. They’ve become corrupt. None does good. No, not one. You see, we mess up with these requirements of God. We mess up. But look at here. Us Christians make mistakes. Us believers make mistakes.

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Galatians 6:13 (NKJV)

For not even those who are circumcised keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may boast in your flesh.

— Galatians 6:13 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 11:24
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Psalm 14:2-3 (NKJV)

The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God. They have all turned aside, They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one.

— Psalm 14:2-3 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 12:46

What is the importance of the shadow law, and why do we all make mistakes?

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Short answer: He says the shadow laws were impossible to keep because “they pointed to a requirement of God that was impossible without God for you to live up to.” He says believers make mistakes too, and that people who criticize the church can “always find” fault because we are “coming into maturity.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 13:17 I I’m a believer and I make mistakes. How many believers say, you know, I make mistakes? I made them in the past. I’ll probably make them tomorrow. Yeah. You see, this is the importance of the shadow law. The shadow laws were impossible to keep. Why? Because they pointed to a requirement of God that was impossible without God for you to live up to. It’s impossible. And this is the importance of the shadow law. The biggest biggest one. Now listen to this. Have all your workers of iniquity no knowledge? Who eat up my people as they eat bread and do not call on the Lord? See, this guy has the audacity to lambaste our Bible. A lot of these students walked out. When he started bashing the Bible, they walked out.

▶ 14:09 Others applauded. And see, these people oppose us. Yes, they can find fault with us because we’re coming into maturity. We’re coming into his image. They can always find. You can’t be good enough for people that are trying to find something to criticize the church about. Ain’t I right? But see, us Christians know that Jesus is the answer for us and our mistakes. And you shouldn’t be messing around with this church. You should not be messing around with this church, even with their flaws. You don’t want to mess around with God’s people.

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Psalm 14:4 (NKJV)

Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge, Who eat up my people as they eat bread, And do not call on the LORD?

— Psalm 14:4 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 13:55 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

Why weren’t people stoned for breaking the shadow laws?

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Short answer: He begins to address homosexuality by saying the food and clothing laws were “examples of living holy,” and that nobody was stoned in the Bible for the woman who lied about being a virgin: “Zero.” He says the one man stoned for working on Saturday was “an example of the judgment of God,” and that the real issue is an eternal price.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 15:01 Now, let me address homosexuality. Now, we we address the food, the clothing, the different clothing. It was all examples of living holy. Okay? The virgin or the woman that wasn’t a virgin on her [unclear] night, she got stoned because she said she was a virgin. They didn’t put that in there and she wasn’t. She lied and and she went into a marriage with a lie and deception. And you know how many people were stoned for that in the Bible? Zero. Interesting, isn’t it? Why? It’s a shadow law. God didn’t put it there for us to go around killing people that sinned.

▶ 15:56 It’s a shadow law. How many people were stoned for picking up sticks on the Saturday? One. One for working on Saturday and that was in in Exodus to give us an example of the judgment of God. You see there God is coming to judge and there is a judgment. But Jesus said, “I’ve not come to destroy sinners but to what? Save them.” See, God’s in his saving timetable right now. But when he comes again, folks, he’s going to judge. And stoning the people that messed up back there in the Bible is not the issue. It’s you are going to pay an eternal price.

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Deuteronomy 22:20-21 (NKJV)

“But if the thing is true, and evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has done a disgraceful thing in Israel, to play the harlot in her father’s house. So you shall put away the evil from among you.

— Deuteronomy 22:20-21 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 15:15 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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Numbers 15:32-36 (NKJV)

Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him. Then the LORD said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So, as the LORD commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.

— Numbers 15:32-36 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 16:00 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

Who does he say was actually stoned in the Bible?

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Short answer: He says there is an eternal punishment “if you flagrantly disobey,” but most people stoned in the Bible were innocent: Nabal killed over a vineyard, prophets, and Stephen, all by those using the shadow law. He says people twisting the Scriptures “destroy people’s lives,” and “America’s buying it.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 16:49 That is what the shadow laws are trying to tell you. There’s an eternal punishment to pay if you flagrantly disobey. Hallelujah. Do you know what most people were stoned for in the Old Testament and in the New Testament? I didn’t think you did. Nabal was an innocent man. They wanted his vineyard and they used the shadow law to kill an innocent man. Prophets were innocent people. They used the shadow law to kill and stone prophets. Stephen was an innocent man. They use stoning. The Jews did the shadow law to kill Stephen. It’s these sinners like this Dan Savage that are twisting the scriptures to destroy people’s lives.

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1 Kings 21:1-3 (NKJV)

And it came to pass after these things that Naboth the Jezreelite had a vineyard which was in Jezreel, next to the palace of Ahab king of Samaria. So Ahab spoke to Naboth, saying, “Give me your vineyard, that I may have it for a vegetable garden, because it is near, next to my house; and for it I will give you a vineyard better than it. Or, if it seems good to you, I will give you its worth in money.” But Naboth said to Ahab, “The LORD forbid that I should give the inheritance of my fathers to you!”

— 1 Kings 21:1-3 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 17:17 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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Acts 7:58-60 (NKJV)

and they cast him out of the city and stoned him. And the witnesses laid down their clothes at the feet of a young man named Saul. And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” Then he knelt down and cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not charge them with this sin.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

— Acts 7:58-60 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 17:32 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

What do Christians do when they sin?

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Short answer: He says if we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, but if we confess our sins “he is faithful and just to forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” He says the shadow law points to someone who can do the impossible: “He’s the real deal.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 17:46 You get the point? Hallelujah. And America’s buying it. They are buying it hook, line, and sinker. See, this is what Christians know. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. You know, you say you’re Mr. Perfect, you’re lying through your teeth. You’re not looking at yourself good. Ask somebody that works with you. Ask somebody that lives with you in your home. They’ll tell you you got some problems. We can think real high and mighty of oursel, but the Bible says it’s not good for one to boast of himself. Let another boast of you. Let another who can see you right tell you the truth. And there might might not be much boasting there.

▶ 18:41 But if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. See, we know that. We know the shadow law points to somebody that can do the impossible in our life. That which the law couldn’t do. The shadow laws could not do, Jesus can do. And so when we sin, we confess he’s reliable. He’s faithful. He forgives. And we go on. That’s what Mr. Savage and these people need to understand. And Jesus isn’t the shadow. He’s the real deal. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar and his word’s not in us. See, that’s the importance of the shadow law. The superior shadow law is is impossible to live by.

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1 John 1:8 (NKJV)

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

— 1 John 1:8 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 18:07 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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1 John 1:9 (NKJV)

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

— 1 John 1:9 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 18:41 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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1 John 1:10 (NKJV)

If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

— 1 John 1:10 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 19:23 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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Proverbs 27:2 (NKJV)

Let another man praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips.

— Proverbs 27:2 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 18:28 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

Does the Bible say anything about masturbation?

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Short answer: He says shadow laws “bring us to Christ” and have “nothing to do with eating shellfish or not eating shellfish.” He says he has read the Bible 121 times and “there is nothing in the Bible about masturbation,” and asks if a critic is wrong about that, “could he be wrong about homosexuality?”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 19:36 Just like it is impossible for you to live by God’s laws of righteousness, but through Christ who strengthens us, who quickens us by might in the inner man, who comes and gives us empowerment to do all things through Christ. We can do these things. And if we mess up, we can get up and get going again. Shadow laws bring us to Christ. It’s got nothing to do with eating shellfish or not eating shellfish. And never nowhere. He said the Bible is wrong on masturbation. Folks, I’ve read that Bible 121 times. I’ve studied it for hours. There is nothing in the Bible about masturbation.

▶ 20:29 Zero. You have to fabricate it. To make a scripture talk about masturbation. You have to dream it up. See, he’s totally wrong. And I submit to Dan Savage, if he’s wrong in this elementary thing about the Bible, could he be wrong about homosexuality? The law was our school master to bring us to Christ. The only way I am come, Jesus said, to destroy the law, not to destroy, it should say, I’m come not to destroy the law or the prophets, but to fulfill them. Okay. Who fulfilled the shadow laws? [unclear] He plainly— Jesus plainly said he did.

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Philippians 4:13 (NKJV)

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

— Philippians 4:13 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 19:42 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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Galatians 3:24 (NKJV)

Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

— Galatians 3:24 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 20:59 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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Matthew 5:17 (NKJV)

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

— Matthew 5:17 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 21:12 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

Is Jesus the only way, and what does he say about Muslims?

▶ Watch this part (21:22)

Short answer: He says Jesus fulfilled the shadow laws, so “you don’t need to sacrifice animals anymore,” and quotes “I am the way, the truth, and the life.” He says Muslims do not believe Jesus died, rose, or is the Son of God, that “there’s no truth outside of Jesus,” and that we need to reach Muslims, homosexuals and all people.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 21:22 You don’t need to sacrifice animals anymore. He did the sacrifice. You don’t need to give incense. You can pray right to him. You can go directly to God. You see, you don’t need to all do these shadows anymore. You got the real deal. Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life.” No one Muslims. President Bush said Muslims and non-believers were going to heaven. Did you hear that? President Bush said Muslims and non-believers are going to heaven. Mr. President, you’re totally wrong. Muslims do not believe Jesus died on the cross. Muslims do not believe he rose from the grave. Therefore, Muslims do not believe that he is the only begotten son of God. He was God in the flesh and Jesus said, “I am the only way.” President Bush, you’re wrong.

▶ 22:21 Oprah, you’re wrong. Obama, you’re wrong. Jesus is the only way. And his word, the scriptures show us the way to him. Can I hear an amen? That’s good for you guys to know this so you have answers for people out there. We need answers for people. We need to be able to answer them back. There’s no truth outside of Jesus. There’s no life outside of Jesus. And he’s the only way to the father. And the father is God. And that’s why we need to reach the Muslims. That’s why we need to reach the homosexuals. That’s why we need to reach all people. Bring them to Christ. He can straighten them out. Now folks, some of these students [unclear]. Mothers, I submit to you today, would your child have walked out, or would your child have applauded this bashing of the Bible? Mothers, fathers, would you have applauded or would you have walked out?

Scripture in this part

Scripture (NKJV)

John 14:6 (NKJV)

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

— John 14:6 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 21:36 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

More questions this message answers

Short answers drawn only from what he says in this message, each with the moment in the video.

Can you understand God’s word by following the shadow laws?

He says no: “you can’t understand the details of God’s words by following shadow laws. They point to the real thing, and that is Jesus Christ.”

▶ Watch at 1:45

Scripture (NKJV)

For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.

— Hebrews 10:1 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 1:00

Did Jesus come to make us new people?

He says yes: “old things passed away,” and Jesus “has the power to fulfill” God’s destiny for us.

▶ Watch at 2:35

Scripture (NKJV)

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

— 2 Corinthians 5:17 (NKJV) (quoted; reference not named in the message)▶ Hear it at 3:00

What does he say the shadow laws were for in Isaiah 1?

He says after rejecting the empty sacrifices, God says, “Wash yourselves. Make yourself clean,” and “Cease to do evil and learn to do good.”

▶ Watch at 4:25

Scripture (NKJV)

“Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean; Put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes. Cease to do evil, Learn to do good; Seek justice, Rebuke the oppressor; Defend the fatherless, Plead for the widow.

— Isaiah 1:16-17 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 4:57

Why does he say we assemble together?

He says it is “to remind ourselves that we are to go out and be a light to this world that they may see our good works.” He says, “It’s not music. It’s not drama.”

▶ Watch at 6:11

Scripture (NKJV)

And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.

— Hebrews 10:24-25 (NKJV) (quoted; reference not named in the message)▶ Hear it at 6:13

What does he say the early church did every Sunday?

He says Roman leaders wrote that Christians “get together on Sunday and they make a vow not to do wrong,” and “Every Sunday they kept repeating the vow.”

▶ Watch at 7:05

What does he say baptism means?

He says a baptism certificate alone “doesn’t mean a hill of beans”; baptism reminds you that Jesus died for your sins and made you a new man. Whenever we see someone baptized, we are reminded that “we’re new creatures.”

▶ Watch at 8:01

What does he say about people who look for fault in the church?

He says “You can’t be good enough for people that are trying to find something to criticize the church about.” He says, “You don’t want to mess around with God’s people.”

▶ Watch at 14:09

How many people does he say were stoned for picking up sticks on Saturday?

He says one, “to give us an example of the judgment of God.” He says God is in “his saving timetable right now” but will judge when he comes again.

▶ Watch at 15:56

Scripture (NKJV)

Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him. Then the LORD said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So, as the LORD commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.

— Numbers 15:32-36 (NKJV) (quoted; reference not named in the message)▶ Hear it at 16:00

What does he say about people who say they are perfect?

He says if you say you’re “Mr. Perfect, you’re lying through your teeth,” and suggests asking somebody who works with you or lives with you in your home.

▶ Watch at 17:46

Scripture (NKJV)

Let another man praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips.

— Proverbs 27:2 (NKJV) (quoted; reference not named in the message)▶ Hear it at 18:28

What does he say happens when a believer sins and confesses?

He says “The shadow laws could not do, Jesus can do,” and that when we sin and confess, “He’s reliable. He’s faithful. He forgives. And we go on.”

▶ Watch at 18:41

Scripture (NKJV)

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

— 1 John 1:9 (NKJV) (quoted; reference not named in the message)▶ Hear it at 18:41

What does he say Jesus said about the law and the prophets?

He says Jesus came “not to destroy the law or the prophets, but to fulfill them,” and that “Jesus plainly said he did.” He adds that “The law was our school master to bring us to Christ.”

▶ Watch at 20:29

Scripture (NKJV)

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

— Matthew 5:17 (NKJV) (quoted; reference not named in the message)▶ Hear it at 21:12
Scripture (NKJV)

Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

— Galatians 3:24 (NKJV) (quoted; reference not named in the message)▶ Hear it at 20:59

Why does he say we need these answers?

He says, “We need to be able to answer them back,” and that we need to reach all people and “Bring them to Christ.”

▶ Watch at 22:21

About this transcript

This transcript comes from YouTube’s automatic English captions, which supply the timing and the words. Punctuation, capitalization and paragraphing were added by hand, and obvious caption errors were corrected; his wording was not rewritten. “[unclear]” marks a word or name that was not clear. Editor note: the captions read “Mr. Salvage”; this is corrected to “Savage” to match the name spoken in the same message (“Dan Savage”). The pastor names several public figures in this message; their names appear in the transcript only. He says the man stoned for gathering sticks was “in Exodus”; that account is in Numbers 15:32–36. The vineyard story he attributes to “Nabal” is told of Naboth in 1 Kings 21 (Nabal is a different person in 1 Samuel 25); his words are kept as captioned. “In Hebrews” (the sacrifice of praise) is Hebrews 13:15, and “Psalms 14” is Psalm 14. Several quoted verses are not named in the recording and are shown as quoted only. Four spots are marked [unclear] where the captions were garbled: a list of items after “holy water” (caption “Gri Maro”), the word before “night” in the virgin example (caption “wither”), the answer after “Who fulfilled the shadow laws?” (caption “G.”), and the last sentence about students (caption “of Paul audited”). Select any time to jump to that moment on YouTube.

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