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From the sermonMany Adversaries Part 1 · Pastor David G. Kincer▶ 0:00

In this message Pastor David G. Kincer teaches from 1 Corinthians 16 on the first day of the week and why Saturday or Sunday is a “silly” argument, then on Paul’s “great door” with “many adversaries.” He lists nine kinds of opposition believers face, then answers critics who say the Bible is wrong about slavery, shellfish and other things.

Why did the early church meet on the first day of the week?

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Short answer: He cites Luke 24:1, Acts 20:7 and Revelation 1:10 to show the disciples met on the first day of the week because Jesus rose from the grave on that day. He says history shows Roman reports that Christians “meet on the first day of the week,” though Acts also shows them in the synagogue on Saturday.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 0:00 We are in chapter 16 of 1 Corinthians, in verses 1-4. He talks about collecting for the saints that are in Jerusalem on the first day of the week: take up the collection, so when I come there’s no collections to be taken up. And, uh, there’s a big argument in America and throughout the world on what day we should serve Jesus, what day we should come to church, Saturday or Sunday. In Luke 24:1 we find that on the first day of the week Jesus rose from the grave, on Easter Sunday, the first day of the week. So see, they met on Sunday, the first day of the week, because Jesus rose from the grave. We find in Acts 20:7 that on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached to them until one guy fell out of the window.

▶ 1:05 See, they say I’m a long-winded preacher here, but let me tell you, Paul has got me beat by a long shot. But anyway, they met together on the first day of the week. When you study history, you will find that Roman rulers, lower ranks in authority, would have to report to higher ranks, and they would say, “These Christians meet on the first day of the week, and they take communion, and they make a vow that they will not commit adultery and, and, uh, steal and, and do these bad things, on the first day of the week.” So there’s plenty of evidence that the early church met on the first day of the week. But also, if you read Acts, you’ll find them coming into the synagogue on Saturday also. They were there Saturday and Sunday if they could be. Revelations 1:10, John the apostle was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day. Now, what’s the Lord’s Day? The first day of the week, Sunday. So do we meet together on Sunday, or do we meet together on Saturday? And let me tell you, there’s a big argument out there. I debated out at the college with a bunch of college students about this thing. They, they just get young Christians wrapped up in silly things like Saturday or Sunday. It’s just a, a silly thing.

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1 Corinthians 16:1-4 (NKJV)

Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given orders to the churches of Galatia, so you must do also: On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come. And when I come, whomever you approve by your letters I will send to bear your gift to Jerusalem. But if it is fitting that I go also, they will go with me.

— 1 Corinthians 16:1-4 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 0:03
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Luke 24:1 (NKJV)

Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.

— Luke 24:1 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 0:31
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Acts 20:7 (NKJV)

Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.

— Acts 20:7 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 0:50
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Revelation 1:10 (NKJV)

I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet,

— Revelation 1:10 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 1:53

Does it matter whether we meet on Saturday or Sunday? (Colossians 2:16)

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Short answer: He calls the Saturday-or-Sunday argument “a silly thing” and cites Colossians 2:16, “Let no man judge you in food or drink or in respect of a holiday or the new moon,” saying these are “shadow of things to come.” He cites Acts 1:3 and 1:14 to show Jesus was seen on any day, and says God “don’t care what day of the week it is.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 2:24 As we see, Colossians 2:16 sums it up this way: “Let no man judge you in food or drink or in respect of a holiday or the new moon or the” what? “Sabbath days. Let no man judge you.” These are a what? “Shadow of things to come.” Say that with me: shadow of things to come. So you know the shadow isn’t the real thing, right? You know, your shadow isn’t the real thing. It brings you to the real thing. And so the Sabbath day was just an example of something God wanted to teach us.

▶ 3:10 All right, let’s, in Acts chapter 1:3, after Jesus rose from the grave, He was seen of them 40 days. Was He only seen of them on Sunday? Was He only seen of them on Saturday? No. He was seen of them anytime that they would accept seeing Him: Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. Acts 1:14, the 120 people in the upper room continued 10 days in prayer. The Bible says in one place. So did they leave on Monday? Did they leave on Tuesday? Would God turn His back on them if they met on Monday? No. Oh, come on, church. God’s so excited about you coming before Him, He don’t care what day of the week it is. And so it’s important that you understand that whether we meet on Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday, God accepts you coming together and seeking Him. Can I hear an amen? And we need to get rid of these silly little things that we argue and fight about and get on the real thing.

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Colossians 2:16-17 (NKJV)

So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

— Colossians 2:16-17 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 2:26
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Acts 1:3 (NKJV)

to whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many infallible proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.

— Acts 1:3 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 3:13
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Acts 1:14 (NKJV)

These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers.

— Acts 1:14 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 3:38

Why does Paul say a great door has opened but there are many adversaries? (1 Corinthians 16:5-9)

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Short answer: He says Paul will stay in Ephesus until Pentecost, a populated city where 12 people were filled with the Holy Ghost and bodies were healed through pieces of his garment, so that “All Asia has heard the word of God.” Paul says “a great and effective door has opened,” but there are many adversaries, or opponents.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 4:27 Now he goes on to say in verses 5-8 that he’s going to stay in Ephesus till Pentecost, then he’s going to leave and pass through Corinth. And Ephesus, as you probably know by your history, is a populated city of 300,000 when Paul was there. And Paul went there, and 12 people were filled with the Holy Ghost in Ephesus to start his ministry there. And then parts of his clothing was sent out all through Asia, and bodies were healed and demons were cast out with just little pieces of his garment. And Paul said, “All Asia has heard the word of God,” and he’s writing to the Corinthians, and he says, “From Ephesus a great and effective door has opened for me here in Ephesus.” A powerful door. All these things are happening. The word of God is going out through all Asia, and talking about the Middle East, Asia Minor. But he says there are many what? Adversaries. There’s many opponents.

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1 Corinthians 16:5-9 (NKJV)

Now I will come to you when I pass through Macedonia (for I am passing through Macedonia). And it may be that I will remain, or even spend the winter with you, that you may send me on my journey, wherever I go. For I do not wish to see you now on the way; but I hope to stay a while with you, if the Lord permits. But I will tarry in Ephesus until Pentecost. For a great and effective door has opened to me, and there are many adversaries.

— 1 Corinthians 16:5-9 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 4:31

Who is our biggest opponent? (we oppose ourselves)

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Short answer: He starts a list of opponents by saying the first is ourselves: “We are our big, worst enemy,” thinking we’re not good enough, or too good, or that God can’t change our life. The second is those in the church who oppose with false teaching, such as saying there is no resurrection or that incest is okay.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 5:41 Now let me give you a quick list of some opponents. You ready? Number one: we are the biggest opponent. Opponent means opposer. Opposer of the Scriptures, opposer of truth, opposer of God. He says, “in meekness instruct those who” what? “Oppose themselves.” We are our big, worst enemy. “We’re not good enough,” “we’re too good,” you know, “we’ve done the unpardonable sin,” you know, uh, we are our own worst enemy. “I’m so bad I can’t come to God now, God can’t change my life.” Number two, 1 Corinthians 15:12: “Some among you say there is no resurrection of the dead.” Then you got the problem with opposing in the church. Some among you say there’s no resurrection of the dead. Some among you say incest is okay. See, some among you are saying it’s okay to eat food sacrificed to idols and go into the idol temple and eat. Some of you have got these weird doctrines. But none of you. Right? Nobody in here. See, we oppose ourselves in the church, and we could go on and on. I taught, I taught on that; you can get the series.

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2 Timothy 2:25 (NKJV)

in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,

— 2 Timothy 2:25 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 5:55
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1 Corinthians 15:12 (NKJV)

Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?

— 1 Corinthians 15:12 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 6:18

Do governments, religious leaders and Satan oppose believers?

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Short answer: He lists Jewish religious leaders commanding the disciples not to speak in Jesus’ name (Acts 4:18), a violent attempt to stone them (Acts 14:5), and the king who killed James with the sword (Acts 12:1). He says “government opposes us, church leaders oppose us,” and Satan hindered Paul (1 Thessalonians 2:18).

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 6:57 Number three, Acts 4:18: Jewish religious leaders commanded them to not speak or teach in the name of Jesus. Number four, a violent attempt was made by both the Gentile and the Jews, with their rulers, to abuse and stone the disciples, Acts 14:5. Number five, Acts 12:1, Herod the king, direct from Rome, his connection was straight to Rome, “stretched forth his hands to pain some of the church.” He killed James, the brother of John, with the sword. See, government opposes us, church leaders oppose us, we oppose ourself, and our believing brothers oppose. There’s a lot of opposition. Number six, 1 Thessalonians 2:18: “We would have come unto you, but Satan hindered us.” Then we got Satan, our adversary, the Devil, as a roaring lion. He’s always trying to seduce us away from what’s right.

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Acts 4:18 (NKJV)

So they called them and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.

— Acts 4:18 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 6:57
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Acts 14:5 (NKJV)

And when a violent attempt was made by both the Gentiles and Jews, with their rulers, to abuse and stone them,

— Acts 14:5 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 7:13
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Acts 12:1-2 (NKJV)

Now about that time Herod the king stretched out his hand to harass some from the church. Then he killed James the brother of John with the sword.

— Acts 12:1-2 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 7:16
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1 Thessalonians 2:18 (NKJV)

Therefore we wanted to come to you—even I, Paul, time and again—but Satan hindered us.

— 1 Thessalonians 2:18 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 7:44
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1 Peter 5:8 (NKJV)

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

— 1 Peter 5:8 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 7:54 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

Do witchcraft and science falsely so-called oppose the faith?

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Short answer: He cites Acts 16:16, a young woman possessed with a spirit of divination, as opposition from people into witchcraft and sorcery. He cites 1 Timothy 6:20 on “oppositions of science” and “falsely so-called,” says science is just knowledge, and asks if people try to use science to nullify the word of God: “Absolutely.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 8:01 [unclear] 16:16, “the children of the wicked one.” “We went to prayer, and a certain lady, a certain young woman, was possessed with a spirit of divination, met us.” You see, opposition from people who don’t believe in God, people that are into witchcraft and wickedness and sorcery and so forth. Number eight, 1 Timothy 6:20: “Avoid profane and vain babblings and oppositions of science.” Say the word: science. “Falsely so-called, which some professing have erred concerning the faith.” See, what’s another word for science? Knowledge. It’s just knowledge. You know, get off of it. Do we have that today? Do they try to use science to, uh, nullify the word of God? Absolutely. We got the same opposition today he had it back there. It’s nothing new going on, nothing new at all.

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Acts 16:16 (NKJV)

Now it happened, as we went to prayer, that a certain slave girl possessed with a spirit of divination met us, who brought her masters much profit by fortune-telling.

— Acts 16:16 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 8:01
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1 Timothy 6:20-21 (NKJV)

O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge— by professing it some have strayed concerning the faith. Grace be with you. Amen.

— 1 Timothy 6:20-21 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 8:21

What about opposition from family, race and false brethren? (2 Corinthians 11:26)

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Short answer: He cites 2 Corinthians 11:26, “perils of waters, robbers, countrymen,” and says countrymen means your race or your family, so the more you want to serve God the more some of your own household may oppose you. He also says false brethren fool Christians who don’t know their Bible, and that Scripture “is the high authority of God.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 8:59 Then number nine, 2 Corinthians 11:26: “I was in perils of waters, robbers, countrymen.” Countrymen means your race, your family. Remember, in Psalms it says your enemies will be those of your own household. You know, you want to serve God, you really want to serve Him, and your, you know, your family starts opposing you, and the more you want to serve God and follow the Bible, um, the more some of them will, what? Oppose you. And [unclear], when I was in Ghana, Africa, while I was there preaching, the southern tribe got in a war with the northern tribe. See, black on black, killing each other, ripping the women that were pregnant open and taking the baby out of the womb and killing it, because of the hatred and the opposition from one tribe to another. See, racial problems, our own, our own nationality can reject us. Are you there? See, these, far, these problems aren’t new. Every generation thinks they’re new. They’ve been around forever. All right, then you got “problems in the city, in the wilderness, in the sea, with false brethren.” My gosh, these false brethren. A lot of, a lot of Christians, because they don’t know their Bible, really get fooled by false brethren and deviate from the Scriptures. And nobody has the authority to get you to deviate from Scriptures. Scriptures is the high authority of God. Can I hear an amen?

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2 Corinthians 11:26 (NKJV)

in journeys often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils of my own countrymen, in perils of the Gentiles, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;

— 2 Corinthians 11:26 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 9:00
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Micah 7:6 (NKJV)

For son dishonors father, Daughter rises against her mother, Daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; A man’s enemies are the men of his own household.

— Micah 7:6 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 9:12

What hardships did the apostles endure to preach the gospel?

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Short answer: He says the apostles “went without food,” worked and went without sleep trying to preach the gospel. He says “it takes work to serve God,” but that Paul says all these adversaries are there alongside a great door of opportunity.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 10:36 Hallelujah. And then you got to work, you got hunger. You think you got it tough? These apostles had it tough. They went without food, they worked, and they went without sleep, trying to preach the gospel. Now, they’re not like a lot of American pastors who play golf five days a week and then come in, give their bell-ringing message, and then go back and [unclear]. These guys worked hard. Are you there? And it takes work to serve God. And so he says all these adversaries are there, but there’s a great door of opportunity, great door.

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2 Corinthians 11:27 (NKJV)

in weariness and toil, in sleeplessness often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness—

— 2 Corinthians 11:27 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 10:43 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

What do critics say the Bible is wrong about, such as slavery and shellfish?

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Short answer: He reads a speaker’s claim that people ignore what the Bible says about gay people the same way they ignore what it says about shellfish, slavery and other things, and that the Bible is “radically pro-slavery.” He says the speaker is a homosexual activist who told a high school the Bible is wrong, and that some students walked out while many applauded.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 11:12 The Bible, we’ll just talk about the Bible for a second. Uh, people often point out that they can’t help it, they can’t help with the anti-gay bullying. It says right there in Leviticus, it says right there in Timothy, it says right there in Romans that being gay is from— can you hear? We can learn to ignore the [unclear] in the Bible about gay people the same way, the same way we have learned to ignore the [unclear] in the Bible about shellfish, about slavery, about dinner, about farming, about ministration, about virginity, about masturbation. We ignore [unclear] in the body about all sorts of things. The Bible is a radically pro-slavery document. Slave owners waved Bibles over their heads during the Civil War and justified it. The shortest book in the New Testament is a letter from Paul to a Christian slave owner about owning his Christian slave, and Paul doesn’t say Christians don’t own people. Paul talks about how Christians own people. We ignore what the Bible says about slavery because the Bible got slavery wrong.

▶ 12:35 Now, that guy’s name is Dan Savage. Dan Savage went to speak at a high school in America, and this is what he told the students. Dan Savage is a homosexual activist who promotes transsexualism, uh, homosexuality, trans sites, and all the rest, and tells them in a descriptive way how it’s done, okay? And they invite this guy in to speak to a high school student body. You’ve seen a lot of them walk out. Let’s give them a hand. They walked out. Yeah, but did you hear a lot of them applaud what he was saying? He was saying the Bible is just full, full of nonsense, only he used the worst word. All right, he says the Bible is wrong about slavery, wrong about shellfish, wrong about food, wrong about farming, ministration, virginity, and masturbation.

Are people in high places teaching that the Bible should not guide public policy?

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Short answer: He says homosexuals have been teaching this message since the ’70s to undermine the Bible’s influence, and that it has reached “people in high places.” He then reads a quote saying America is not just a Christian nation and asking which passages of Scripture should guide public policy, and says, “let’s read our Bibles.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 13:47 Okay. Now, the homosexuals have been teaching this message since the ‘70s, trying to rip the Bible apart and, and undermine it and destroy its influence in America, and it has influenced people in high places. Okay, I want to show you some of these influential people that have picked up this bashing of the Bible, this opposition of the Bible. “Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation, at least not just. We are also a Jewish nation and a Muslim nation and a Buddhist nation and a Hindu nation and a nation of non-believers. And even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would it be James [unclear] or Al [unclear]?

▶ 14:52 “Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with the Leviticus, which suggests slavery is okay and that eating shellfish is an abomination? Or we could go with the Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount, a passage that is so radical that it’s doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application?” We— so before we get carried away, let’s read our Bibles. Now, folks haven’t been reading their Bible. I [unclear] have been reading my Bible. See, this message has gone up to high places in America, influential people. Let’s continue.

Is there only one way to God?

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Short answer: He plays a clip in which a speaker says there are many paths to what you call God, then responds, “There is one way and only one way, and that is true, Jesus.” He says the speaker is influential all over the world and “has accepted this doctrine,” and he plays another clip on whether Christians and Muslims worship the same God and whether the Bible is literally true.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 15:53 “One of the mistakes that human beings make is believing that there is only one way to live, and that we don’t accept that there are diverse ways of being in the world, that there are millions of ways to be a human being, and many ways— no, but many paths to what you call God. And her path might be something else, and when she gets there she might call it the light, but her loving and her kindness and her generosity brings her— if it brings her to the same point that it brings you, it doesn’t matter whether she called it God along the way or not. And I guess the danger that could be on that, I mean, it sounds great on the onset, but if you really look at both, besides, there couldn’t possibly be just one way. What? What about Jesus? What about Jesus?” And you say there isn’t only one way? There is one way and only one way, and that is true, Jesus. “There couldn’t possibly be—“

▶ 16:46 “With, yay for that lady!” Yeah, there’s only one way. Now, see, Oprah is worth over $2.5 million; she makes 250 million— $2.5 billion dollar; she makes 250 million a year. She’s very influential all over the world, and she has accepted this doctrine. Let’s continue. Influential people. “Do we all worship the same God, Christian and Muslim?” “I think we do.” “Does we have different routes of getting to the Almighty? Do Christians and non-Christians, do Muslims go to heaven in your mind?” “Yes, they do. We have different routes of getting there. But I— I want you to understand, I want your listeners to understand, I don’t get to decide who goes to heaven. I, the Almighty God, decides who goes to heaven. Uh, I— the Bible is an amazing book. Is it literally true, the Bible? I, you know, I probably not. You know, I mean, the idea that I know I’m not a literalist.”

Is the Bible factual or literal?

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Short answer: He says critics make “literal” sound like a bad word, but “literal means factual,” and answers that the Bible is factual: “Yes, it is.” He says these are influential people who have embraced these doctrines, and he will answer the claims that the Bible is wrong.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 17:51 Now they make “literal” sound like a bad word, but literal means factual. See, is the Bible factual? Yes, it is. Amen. Now, these are people in high places, influential places in America, that have embraced these doctrines.

Does the Bible endorse slavery? (Exodus 21:16)

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Short answer: He cites Exodus 21:16, that he who kidnaps or sells a man shall be put to death, and says “you can’t sell human beings, you can’t kidnap human beings.” He asks how there can be slavery “when you can’t force someone against their will.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 18:16 Now, Mr. Obama said we weren’t reading our Bible well. This guy happens to read his Bible and study it and knows this Book, and this guy is going to answer the questions that these Bible adversaries say the Bible is wrong on. Are you ready? Are you interested? See, is the Bible wrong on slavery, food, ministration, farming, uh, homosexuality, and all the rest? Is it wrong? Okay, should [we] ignore the Bible? All right, here we go. We’ll start with slavery. Exodus 21:16: “He who kidnaps, takes someone by force, a man, or he who sells a man”— maybe the guy volunteered to be a slave, doesn’t matter— you can’t sell human beings, you can’t kidnap human beings, or you will be put to death. Now let me ask Mr. Savage, how can there be slavery when you can’t force someone against their will? Are you there? See, they lie through their teeth. It was really talking about servanthood.

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Exodus 21:16 (NKJV)

“He who kidnaps a man and sells him, or if he is found in his hand, shall surely be put to death.

— Exodus 21:16 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 19:06

What does the Bible mean by servants, and did Paul approve of slavery?

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Short answer: He says the Old Testament word for servant meant servanthood: you got into debt and worked it off, and “at the end of every seven years, all servants were free,” like indentured servants coming to America. He cites Matthew 19:19, says Paul’s words to submit to masters were “just telling them to keep a good attitude,” and says “the Bible never, from Genesis to Revelation, promotes slavery.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 19:47 When the, the word servant or slave in the Old Testament really is a word that means servanthood. You got into debt and you couldn’t pay off your debt, so you had to become a servant of somebody that would pay your debt, and then you worked it off, and you couldn’t work any more than seven years. At the end of every seven years, all servants were free. See, people came from Europe to America on being indentured servants. The businessmen in America would pay their way, and then they worked off their way over, the price it cost to get over there, by serving that guy for so many years. See, it wasn’t slavery, it was a mutual agreement.

▶ 20:29 Are you there, church? Matthew 19:19: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Now, how am I going to believe in slavery if I’m not willing to be a slave? You see, the Bible plainly says slavery was not accepted, and because they don’t understand the Bible, they twist these things around. Is that clear to you? The Bible never, from Genesis to Revelation, promotes slavery, never. When Paul wrote about slavery and told them to submit to their masters, he was just telling them to keep a good attitude, a right attitude, because there’s nothing you can do about it anyway. The government had passed a law for slaves, and just, he’s trying to tell them, you know, keep a good attitude in it. Ain’t that right? Not saying that slavery is okay. Now, how many raise your hand, said Mr. Savage is wrong? Yes. And people are believing this nonsense. They are believing this nonsense that these people are saying.

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Matthew 19:19 (NKJV)

‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

— Matthew 19:19 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 20:32

Is eating shellfish a sin? (Deuteronomy 14:21 and 1 Timothy 4:4)

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Short answer: He cites Deuteronomy 14:21 and asks whether eating shellfish, catfish or shark would put you in hell, answering that the food laws were there “to remind them to live holy.” He cites 1 Timothy 4:4 that every creature of God is good and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 21:41 Now let’s go to food, clothing, uh, farming, and these other things that he said the Bible is wrong on, and let’s take a close look at them. Are you ready? Deuteronomy 14:21: “You shall not eat anything that dies of itself. Give it to the stranger, the foreigner in the gates, or sell it to the alien, that he may eat it, for you are a holy people unto the Lord.” Now, why did God make these kind of laws? Was shellfish bad for anybody? Was eating shellfish going to put you into hell? Catfish was forbidden. If you eat catfish, you’re going to go to hell? Sharks were forbidden ‘cause they didn’t have scales. If you eat a shark, you’re going to go to hell? It wasn’t there for that. It was there to remind them to live holy. It says it right there, and the foreigners could eat it. Does God love the world? Does God love all nations? Is He going to allow one people to eat something that’s going to hurt them and another people, no? No. What’s He doing? He’s trying to teach the people and remind them to live holy, to live for God, to live right. That’s— continue. 1 Timothy 4:4: “Every creature”— how many creatures? Every creature, every animal— “of God is good, and nothing is to be refused for food if it is received with thanksgiving.” Now, is that plain? Yeah, you see—

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Deuteronomy 14:21 (NKJV)

“You shall not eat anything that dies of itself; you may give it to the alien who is within your gates, that he may eat it, or you may sell it to a foreigner; for you are a holy people to the LORD your God. “You shall not boil a young goat in its mother’s milk.

— Deuteronomy 14:21 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 21:57
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1 Timothy 4:4-5 (NKJV)

For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

— 1 Timothy 4:4-5 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 23:09

More questions this message answers

Short answers drawn only from what he says in this message, each with the moment in the video.

What does 1 Corinthians 16:1-4 say about collecting for the saints?

He says Paul talks about collecting for the saints in Jerusalem on the first day of the week, so that when he comes “there’s no collections to be taken up.”

▶ Watch at 0:00

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Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given orders to the churches of Galatia, so you must do also: On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come. And when I come, whomever you approve by your letters I will send to bear your gift to Jerusalem. But if it is fitting that I go also, they will go with me.

— 1 Corinthians 16:1-4 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 0:03

Did the early Christians meet only on Sunday?

He says no: they also came into the synagogue on Saturday, and “they were there Saturday and Sunday if they could be.” He says the early church met on the first day of the week, and John was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day.

▶ Watch at 1:05

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I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet,

— Revelation 1:10 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 1:53

Would God turn His back on people who meet on a Monday?

He says no: “God’s so excited about you coming before Him, He don’t care what day of the week it is.” He points to the 120 in the upper room who continued 10 days in prayer.

▶ Watch at 3:10

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These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers.

— Acts 1:14 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 3:38

How big was Ephesus, and what happened there?

He says Ephesus was “a populated city of 300,000” when Paul was there. He says 12 people were filled with the Holy Ghost to start Paul’s ministry there, and pieces of his garment were sent out and bodies were healed and demons cast out.

▶ Watch at 4:27

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Now I will come to you when I pass through Macedonia (for I am passing through Macedonia). And it may be that I will remain, or even spend the winter with you, that you may send me on my journey, wherever I go. For I do not wish to see you now on the way; but I hope to stay a while with you, if the Lord permits. But I will tarry in Ephesus until Pentecost. For a great and effective door has opened to me, and there are many adversaries.

— 1 Corinthians 16:5-9 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 4:31

What does he say about thinking “I’m so bad I can’t come to God”?

He says that is one way we oppose ourselves: “I’m so bad I can’t come to God now, God can’t change my life.” He says the opposite error is “we’re too good,” and that either way “we are our own worst enemy.”

▶ Watch at 5:41

Who does he say killed James, the brother of John?

He says Herod the king, “direct from Rome,” stretched forth his hands to pain some of the church and killed James, the brother of John, with the sword.

▶ Watch at 6:57

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Now about that time Herod the king stretched out his hand to harass some from the church. Then he killed James the brother of John with the sword.

— Acts 12:1-2 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 7:16

What does he say Satan is always trying to do?

He says Satan, our adversary, is “as a roaring lion,” and he’s “always trying to seduce us away from what’s right.”

▶ Watch at 6:57

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Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

— 1 Peter 5:8 (NKJV) (quoted; reference not named in the message)▶ Hear it at 7:54

Does he say racial problems and family opposition are new?

He says no: “Every generation thinks they’re new. They’ve been around forever.” He says our own nationality can reject us and tells of a war between two tribes in Ghana as an example of racial hatred.

▶ Watch at 8:59

How does he compare Bible servanthood to indentured servants?

He says people came from Europe to America as indentured servants: businessmen paid their way and they worked off the price by serving that man for so many years. He says “it wasn’t slavery, it was a mutual agreement.”

▶ Watch at 19:47

What attitude does he say Paul told slaves to keep?

He says when Paul told them to submit to their masters, he was telling them to “keep a good attitude, a right attitude, because there’s nothing you can do about it anyway.” He says Paul was not saying slavery is okay.

▶ Watch at 20:29

Why does he say some foods were forbidden in the law?

He says the law was not there to send you to hell for eating shellfish or shark: “it was there to remind them to live holy.” He notes foreigners could eat it, and asks if God would allow one people to eat something that hurts them and not another.

▶ Watch at 21:41

Scripture (NKJV)

“You shall not eat anything that dies of itself; you may give it to the alien who is within your gates, that he may eat it, or you may sell it to a foreigner; for you are a holy people to the LORD your God. “You shall not boil a young goat in its mother’s milk.

— Deuteronomy 14:21 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 21:57

About this transcript

This transcript comes from YouTube’s automatic English captions, which supply the timing and the words. Punctuation, capitalization and paragraphing were added by hand, and obvious caption errors were corrected; his wording was not rewritten. “[unclear]” marks a word or name that was not clear. Editor note: the recording plays or reads several quotes from public speakers (about 11:12–17:50); the captions do not mark where each begins and ends, and the pastor names only one speaker. For the slavery claim he names the speaker, and in the second part refers to “Mr. Obama” and a talk-show host; those names appear in the transcript only, not in the short answers. In the quote about public policy, the names after “James” and “Al” were garbled in the captions and are marked [unclear] rather than guessed. The caption “$2.5 million” may have been “billion” (he gives both figures in the sentence); it is left as captioned. He says “in Psalms it says your enemies will be those of your own household”; the words are in Micah 7:6 (and Matthew 10:36), shown here. “[Unclear]” marks nine spots where the captions were not clear, including the start of Acts 16:16 (the caption reads “1616”) and the two names in the public-policy quote. Select any time to jump to that moment on YouTube.

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