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In this short message Pastor David G. Kincer teaches that God judges and punishes His people when they behave worse than Sodom. He uses Jude 1:7 and Luke 17:28 to show Sodom as an example and argues that the Bible, not science, tells us what is an allegory. He then begins Ezekiel 16, where God lists abominations His people commit, starting with trusting in your own beauty and playing the harlot because of your fame.
Does God judge and punish His own people?
Short answer: He says “God judges, and He punishes His people when His people behave worse than Sodom did.” He asks “what can be worse than that city of Sodom?” and says they will find out in this message.
▶ 0:00 But today we’re going to look at the fact is, God judges, and He punishes His people when His people behave worse than Sodom did. Did you say, God’s people behave worse than Sodom? Sodom and Gomorrah, yes, we’re going to find out today. And what is worse than Sodom? What can be worse than that city of Sodom?
Why is Sodom a biblical example of God’s vengeance? (Jude 1:7)
Short answer: He says Sodom is “a biblical illustration of God punishing people.” He cites Jude 1:7, that Sodom and Gomorrah gave themselves over to “sexual immorality and strange flesh,” and says sexual immorality includes adultery and sex before marriage.
▶ 0:25 Sodom, we’re going to make a statement that Sodom is a biblical illustration of God’s vengeance. Okay, it’s a biblical illustration of God punishing people. In Jude’s chapter 1:7, the only chapter in Jude: “Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities round about them, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and strange flesh.” Homosexuality. Two things he mentions is what? Sexual immorality. That’s adultery, sex before marriage, sex in marriage with somebody outside your marriage, marriage.
Scripture in this part
Jude 1:7 (NKJV)
as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
— Jude 1:7 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 0:38What does it mean that Sodom is “an example, an illustration”?
Short answer: He says incest, orgies, bestiality and homosexuality are included and are “set forth as an example, an illustration, suffering the vengeance of God.” Because the Bible calls it an example, he says, “we want to use illustrations, we want to use the right one.”
▶ 1:01 Uh, uh, incest, orgies, bestiality, all these things are included, and homosexuality, are set forth as an example, an illustration, “suffering the vengeance of God.” You see, the Bible said it was an example, it was an illustration, and we want to use illustrations, we want to use the right one.
Who decides what is an allegory or an example in the Bible?
Short answer: He says “we cannot use examples unless the Bible uses them. The Bible is the one that’s got to tell us what the examples, the allegories, and the metaphors are.” Those who say the Bible is a book of allegories and myths “by using science for their reason” are wrong, he says.
▶ 1:30 We cannot use examples unless the Bible uses them. The Bible is the one that’s got to tell us what the examples, the allegories, and the metaphors are. So Bill O’Reilly, homosexual atheists, humanists, and liberal activists are wrong when they say the Bible is a book of allegories and myths, by using science for their reason. They say--
Does science prove the Bible’s accounts are only allegory?
Short answer: He says science is used to claim that the ark, the flood and Jonah’s fish are allegories, but “science can’t prove that they could happen.” He says “God is supernatural, and He can do anything He chooses when He chooses.”
▶ 2:00 See, science says you can’t get all the animals on the ark, so it’s an allegory. Science says the earth wasn’t flooded, so it’s an allegory. Science says that there’s no fish that could swallow a human being and the human being live, because of the stomach acids and so forth and the lack of oxygen. Because science says you can’t go to the Bible and say these things are allegories and examples, they never happened, because science can’t prove that they could happen. God is supernatural, and He can do anything He chooses when He chooses.
When does the Bible itself use a parable, symbol or illustration?
Short answer: He says the Bible becomes an allegory, parable or symbol when Jesus says so, such as “I’m telling you a parable.” Jesus then used natural truth, like sowers sowing seed and mustard trees growing from seed, to give spiritual illustrations.
▶ 2:41 The only time the Bible becomes an allegory, a parable, a symbol: Jesus said, “I’m telling you a parable.” He says, “I’m giving you a symbol, I’m giving you an illustration,” and then He used the natural truth to give us spiritual what? Illustrations. See, sowers did sow seed, mustard trees did grow from seed. Are you there?
What does Jesus say about the days of Lot and His return? (Luke 17:28)
Short answer: He says we can use something as an example only when the Bible states it, as in Jude 1:7 and Luke 17:28, where Jesus speaks of “the days of Lot.” So when Jesus comes a second time, he says, “we have the example of what Sodom and Gomorrah, to go back to and figure out what’s going to happen there.”
▶ 3:12 We can only do this when it states that it’s an example and an illustration, as in Jude 1:7 that we just quoted you. Luke 17:28, where Jesus said, “Likewise the coming of the Son of Man shall it be in the days of Lot.” So see, when Jesus comes the second time, we have the example of what Sodom and Gomorrah, to go back to and figure out what’s going to happen there.
Scripture in this part
Luke 17:28-30 (NKJV)
Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
— Luke 17:28-30 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 3:20What does Ezekiel 16 say God’s people are judged for?
Short answer: Reading Ezekiel 16:2, he says “God judges His people for abominations,” and “an abomination is something God hates.” He says God will give six abominations that His people do.
▶ 3:42 Ezekiel 16:2. We’re going to find that God judges His people for abominations. His people do abominations, yes. He’s going to give us six abominations that God’s people do. How many? Six. An abomination is something God hates, and see, we think that the homosexual last week was abominable, that’s just an abomination.
Scripture in this part
Ezekiel 16:2 (NKJV)
“Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,
— Ezekiel 16:2 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 3:42What does “you trusted in your own beauty” mean? (Ezekiel 16:15)
Short answer: He says the first abomination in Ezekiel 16:15 is “You trusted in your own beauty,” and that God hates it. He says you must understand the biblical definition of beauty, which is “not how good your hair looks” or the latest fashion designer clothes, and he gives 1 Chronicles 16:29, to worship the Lord in the beauty of “right living.”
▶ 4:04 Well, God’s going to give us six more abominations. And homosexuality is abomination, sexual immorality is abomination. God hates it, He detests it, and He’s given us six that His people do that He hates. Has he got your attention? Number one, Ezekiel 16:15: “You trusted in your own beauty.” It’s abomination.
▶ 4:39 Well, how do I trust in my own beauty? Well, you got to understand the biblical definition of beauty, and it’s not how good your hair looks, and if you got the latest fashion designer clothes on. 1 Chronicles 16:29: “Worship the Lord in the beauty of” what? Oh, right.
Scripture in this part
Ezekiel 16:15 (NKJV)
“But you trusted in your own beauty, played the harlot because of your fame, and poured out your harlotry on everyone passing by who would have it.
— Ezekiel 16:15 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 4:321 Chronicles 16:29 (NKJV)
Give to the LORD the glory due His name; Bring an offering, and come before Him. Oh, worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness!
— 1 Chronicles 16:29 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 4:54What happens when a righteous man trusts in his own righteousness? (Ezekiel 33:13)
Short answer: He says trusting in your own beauty means trusting “what you determined was right in your own eyes. That’s an abomination. We got to trust in what the Bible says is right.” Citing Ezekiel 33:13, he says that if the righteous man trusts in his own righteousness and commits iniquity, “die for it, just like the Sodomites.”
▶ 5:01 Living. He said, “You trusted in your own beauty,” what you determined was right in your own eyes. That’s an abomination. We got to trust in what the Bible says is right. Is that a good amen or an old me? Uh, is that a place where you slap yourself and go, “Wake up,” silly? Ezekiel 33:13: “If the righteous man”--he’s talking about the righteous man--“if the righteous man turns from his righteousness and begins to trust in his own righteousness,” his own beauty, all right, “and he commits iniquity,” he will what? Die for it, just like the Sodomites.
Scripture in this part
Ezekiel 33:13 (NKJV)
When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his own righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die.
— Ezekiel 33:13 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 5:35What does “you played the harlot because of your fame” mean? (Ezekiel 16:15)
Short answer: He says Ezekiel is speaking to God’s people: “He’s not talking to sinners, he’s talking to his people.” The second abomination, he says, is “You played the harlot because of your fame,” trusting in being famous and popular throughout the world.
▶ 5:58 Did. And he’s talking to his people now. He’s not talking to sinners, he’s talking to his people. Hallelujah. Number two abomination, number two: “You played the harlot because of your fame.” You know, you’re famous throughout the world. You go to Joel Osteen’s church, man, you’re popular. You go to Crystal Cathedral, you’re popular. You’re a Catholic, you got a pope, a new pope over there in, in, uh, the Vatican who believes in civil marriages, unions, same-sex unions. I checked up on this old boy, he’s not this little humble Jesuit priest that they want to exalt. He’s got some beliefs that are anti-Bible.
Scripture in this part
Ezekiel 16:15 (NKJV)
“But you trusted in your own beauty, played the harlot because of your fame, and poured out your harlotry on everyone passing by who would have it.
— Ezekiel 16:15 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 6:17What is a harlot in the Bible?
Short answer: He says a harlot is one who hires herself out, and “a harlot in the Bible is also one that just has intimate relationships with people outside the marriage,” wanting to be satisfied by someone outside their family, home, spouse or marriage.
▶ 6:55 A harlot is one that hires herself out, as we heard Friday night here in the [unclear], they sell themselves. A harlot in the Bible is also one that just has intimate relationships with people outside the marriage. Don’t have to hire themselves out, they just want to be satisfied by someone outside their family, their home, their spouse, their marriage. Okay.
What does chasing popularity cost your relationship with Jesus?
Short answer: He says that when you are so popular that everybody likes you, “you have broken your relationship with Jesus Christ and His Word to let these people satisfy you and indoctrinate you.” He moves on to the third abomination, that you “poured out your harlotry on everyone passing by.”
▶ 7:30 He says, “And you’ve played the harlot because of your fame.” You are so popular, everybody likes you, everybody thinks that you’re great. You have broken your relationship with Jesus Christ and His Word to let these people satisfy you and indoctrinate you. He goes on to say, number three, not only did you do this, but “you poured out your harlotry on everyone passing by who would have”--
Scripture in this part
Ezekiel 16:15 (NKJV)
“But you trusted in your own beauty, played the harlot because of your fame, and poured out your harlotry on everyone passing by who would have it.
— Ezekiel 16:15 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 8:01More questions this message answers
Short answers drawn only from what he says in this message, each with the moment in the video.
What does he say is worse than Sodom?
He says God’s people can behave worse than Sodom did, and that God “judges, and He punishes His people” when they do.
What does he say sexual immorality includes?
He says it is “adultery, sex before marriage, sex in marriage with somebody outside your marriage,” and that incest, orgies, bestiality and homosexuality are also included.
Scripture (NKJV)as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
— Jude 1:7 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 0:38
Does he say the Bible is a book of allegories and myths?
No. He says the Bible must tell us which are the examples, allegories and metaphors, and that those who call it “a book of allegories and myths” are wrong.
Can science disprove the ark, the flood or the fish that swallowed a man?
He says science says these cannot have happened, but “science can’t prove that they could happen. God is supernatural, and He can do anything He chooses when He chooses.”
When does he say the Bible is a parable?
He says the Bible becomes a parable or symbol when it says so, such as Jesus saying “I’m telling you a parable.”
What does he say an abomination is?
He says “an abomination is something God hates.”
Scripture (NKJV)“Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,
— Ezekiel 16:2 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 3:42
What does he say is the biblical definition of beauty?
He says it is “not how good your hair looks” or the latest fashion designer clothes. He points to 1 Chronicles 16:29, worshiping the Lord in the beauty of right living.
Scripture (NKJV)Give to the LORD the glory due His name; Bring an offering, and come before Him. Oh, worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness!
— 1 Chronicles 16:29 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 4:54
What does he say it means to trust in your own beauty or righteousness?
He says it means trusting “what you determined was right in your own eyes,” rather than “what the Bible says is right.”
Scripture (NKJV)When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his own righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die.
— Ezekiel 33:13 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 5:35
Is Ezekiel 16 speaking to sinners or to God’s people?
He says “he’s not talking to sinners, he’s talking to his people.”
Does “harlot” only mean someone who sells themselves?
No. He says a harlot is one who hires herself out, but in the Bible it also means someone who has intimate relationships with people outside the marriage and just wants “to be satisfied by someone outside their family, their home, their spouse, their marriage.”
About this transcript
This transcript comes from YouTube’s automatic English captions, which supply the timing and the words. Punctuation, capitalization and paragraphing were added by hand, and obvious caption errors were corrected; his wording was not rewritten. “[unclear]” marks a word or name that was not clear. Editor note: the recording ends in the middle of a sentence at about 8:07 (“who would have”), so this page covers only the part he preached on this video. His words in the Luke 17 section blend “the days of Noah/Lot” and “the coming of the Son of Man” (Luke 17:26–30), so Luke 17:28–30 is shown. He gives 1 Chronicles 16:29 as “the beauty of … right living”; the NKJV reads “the beauty of holiness.” He names public figures and religious leaders and makes claims about them, and speaks about homosexuality; those are his words, and they appear only in the transcript, not verified by this site. “[Unclear]” marks one spot (about 7:00) where the captions were not clear. Where he reads Scripture aloud he often uses King James wording. Select any time to jump to that moment on YouTube.