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From the sermonFather’s Day · Guest speaker (name not given in the recording)▶ 0:00

In this Father’s Day message a guest speaker compares the birth of a baby with being born again, saying a baby has only two options, to be born and live or to die, and the same is true spiritually. He then follows Israel out of Egypt: Satan going after new believers through Pharaoh and the midwives, the lamb’s blood on the doorposts, and the hindrances after deliverance, including complaining, the flesh, emotions and fear. He closes with Jonah 2:9, “Salvation is of the Lord.”

What can the birth of a baby teach about the spiritual life?

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Short answer: He tells of his wife’s pregnancy and says “they really only have two options. They’re either going to be born and live or they’re going to die.” He says the same is true in the spiritual realm.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Guest speaker (name not given in the recording)

▶ 0:00 All the fathers this morning, fathers that break their backs for their family, they sacrifice themselves in their lives. It’s a wonderful thing. This morning we want to talk about the father and what he does for his children. When my wife became pregnant, I just want to tell a quick story. When Lara was pregnant, we made an appointment with the OB, the [unclear]. First thing she pulls out the monitor and she checks the heartbeat. Five, six weeks into it, the baby’s heart is beating. We were there three months and the baby’s heart, boom boom boom boom boom. That’s the first thing you check when you walk in.

▶ 0:52 Uh, as we got closer to the due date, we visited the doctor more and more and more, and a week, every week. First it was every month, then every two weeks, then every month, every week, and uh, and then labor came, and that was just an awful experience for Lara. Me, you know, I was just, I was just kicking back, and uh, she had the baby after a bloody mess, and it’s just, it’s just an interesting experience. I’m not going to say it’s like the best thing in the whole world, cuz it’s just pretty nuts, all right. It’s, it’s crazy. Best thing in the whole world, it’s the best thing in the whole world. And uh, you know, I got to hold a leg and it’s like, “Oh gosh.” Praise God. Anyway, at the end of it all, I had, I got a little emotional with both my kids because I was just glad they came out okay after all that, after all the nine months of, “Are they okay?” or this or that, you know, complications, are they turned the right way, you know, is it [unclear], is it this, is it that, you know, it could be all these things. There could be a

▶ 2:07 miscarriage. Finally, at birth, the baby’s okay. Praise God. So they give you a picture like this, and there, there it is, baby in the womb. And of course, you know, the TV shows, they explain it. You kids over here, you teenagers, you just have no idea unless you’re there seeing it all happen. Babies don’t come out clean, they’re all messy and ugly, you know. Beckham had the cord wrapped around his neck when he came out. He was blue. I was like, “Who is this kid?” And I was like, “Is that supposed to happen?” You know, in my mind I’m, “Oh, he’s like, oh, it’s blue, it’s, it’s baby blue.” You know, it’s okay, you know, he was trying to brush it off. Of course, the, you know, come on. But really, when it comes down to it, a baby, the, the, the thing that you care about, they really only have two options. They’re either going to be born and live or they’re going to die. I mean, it’s awful, but really the only option for that baby in the womb is to come out, or the other option is that they’re going to die. And it’s the same way in the spiritual

What does it mean to be born again, and what are the two options?

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Short answer: He reads John 3:3, “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” He says when a person accepts Christ and invites him in, “God comes and he births them,” and that for those not yet born “there’s only two options”: to live with the Father in heaven or to die and go into the lake of fire.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Guest speaker (name not given in the recording)

▶ 3:27 realm. Jesus said in John 3:3, “Except a man be born again,” everybody say that, “born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” And we got to understand that for a lot of people in America and in the world, they’re in a state of inside the womb. They’ve been conceived, they’re being formed. You see, some people, when God’s word comes, it triggers something in their spiritual man. When they hear the word, it triggers a conception, and they begin to grow. And if, and people, as they keep getting reached by the church, they begin to grow, and the church does their job to continue that growth process. And finally, when they decide to accept Christ, it doesn’t take, it doesn’t have to take nine months like it does with, you know, natural pregnancy, but it takes time. And finally, when that person accepts Christ and invites him into her life, accepts the blood on the cross and all those things, God comes and he births them. We’ve got to understand those who have not been birthed, those who don’t know

▶ 4:42 Christ, there’s only two options. We are going to live with our Father in heaven, or we are going to go and die and go in the lake of fire. And it’s a horrible thing, just like in the natural world, it’s a horrible thing when a, a baby dies. It’s awful. And no, and God doesn’t want any babies dying. He doesn’t want any of, of the people in the world going to hell, but it’s, it’s a choice. It, it, it happens when we don’t accept him and let him birth us. “Except a man,” and this says it really well, “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” And of course we know the Bible says that all have sinned. This morning, if you have not accepted Christ, you got to understand that all of sin, the payment for your sin is death. Jesus Christ is the only one that has the power to pay for your sin. He’s the only one that went down into hell, and hell couldn’t stand him. Hell had to kick him out and say, “Get out of here. You don’t belong here.” The Devil, when Jesus came down, “I have no

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John 3:3 (NKJV)

Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

— John 3:3 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 3:29

What is the church’s part in helping people be born again?

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Short answer: He compares the Father, who brings the word and starts the conception, with the church as the mother. He says “there’s a sacrifice in having a child,” and so “the church, we got to sacrifice our time for the people out there” and “reach them with God’s word.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Guest speaker (name not given in the recording)

▶ 5:52 accusations.” When all these other people came before the, the judgment seat, the Devil had accusations, but not Jesus. He’s the only one. And of course, if we confess our sins, he’s faithful and just to forgive us of our sins and cleanse us. The Father, like I said, he brings that word and he starts that conception, and the mother, the church, you know, Mr. Kincer, or the preacher, so, right, these last couple of Sundays, you know, he’s been encouraging us that one of the responsibilities of the church is to reach people with the word. You know, when you look at the husband and wife relationship, they birth children, and it’s a sacrifice. Lara, you know, any person that’s had a baby, it’s a sacrifice. You’ve got to carry around this thing everywhere you go, you have to eat, you’ve got to be careful what you do, at night you’re going to be up all night doing this and that, and all, I don’t want to get into that, but there’s a sacrifice in having a child, just bearing a

▶ 7:03 child. And it’s hard. But the church, we got to sacrifice our time for the people out there. We got to reach them with God’s word, we got to reach them with the gospel, we got to find people that are willing to be born. This morning we want to look at, uh, the story of how Israel was delivered out of Egypt, and we’re going to look at three things: Israel meets the Savior, they experienced salvation, and the last hindrance that they faced. In Exodus 1:16, Pharaoh commands the midwives to kill, murder all the baby boys upon delivery. Now, we just talked about how a baby was in the womb and has to be born. That’s good, they’ve accepted Christ, and now we’re at a stage where they are babies, they’ve already been born. Verse 17, the midwives let the boys live because they feared God. And you see, we got to understand here that this story is talking

Why does Satan go after new believers?

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Short answer: He reads Exodus 1:16–17, where Pharaoh tells the midwives to kill the baby boys, and says the story is about Satan: “he’s after new Christians.” He says the midwives feared God, and “Jesus Christ the Father, he will keep Satan from harming you.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Guest speaker (name not given in the recording)

▶ 8:10 about Satan. He’s after new believers, he’s after new Christians. If you’ve just accepted Christ, he does not want you to make it, he does not want you to continue in your growth with Jesus Christ. And, and the midwives didn’t listen because they feared God, the Bible says. And it’s not that they respected God, you got to understand that Pharaoh, he had authority in Egypt, he could take people’s lives away with, with one word. He could say, “Kill that woman, she’s not listening, put her in jail.” He could have made their lives of living hell. But it says they feared, and if you look at that word, it’s talking about the terror. And you see, the terror of God came on, on these women, and they said, “We’re not doing nothing, because God said don’t touch my baby

▶ 9:09 boys.” And that’s very powerful, because Jesus Christ, the Father, he will keep Satan from harming you. Satan doesn’t have any power. The Father is above Satan. Amen. So Satan comes and he accuses, he discourages, he condemns you. Notice that Pharaoh never went and did it himself, he had the midwives do it. They didn’t listen, so he commanded the children of Israel to kill their children. I’m not going to get into

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Exodus 1:16-17 (NKJV)

and he said, “When you do the duties of a midwife for the Hebrew women, and see them on the birthstools, if it is a son, then you shall kill him; but if it is a daughter, then she shall live.” But the midwives feared God, and did not do as the king of Egypt commanded them, but saved the male children alive.

— Exodus 1:16-17 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 7:37

How can a new Christian defend against Satan?

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Short answer: He says the Father will protect you, “but as a baby you got to keep growing. You got to drink the milk,” which he calls “the milk of the word, the basic understanding.” He adds that “we lean on the church” and “We got to come to church.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Guest speaker (name not given in the recording)

▶ 9:45 that. So Satan comes and he accuses, discourages, and condemns, and new Christians, what can we do? What defense do we have against Satan? Well, first of all, the Father’s going to protect you, but as a baby, you got to keep growing. You got to drink the milk, and we know the milk of the Bible talks about the milk of the word, the basic understanding. If you’ve been a new Christian, we got to go, you got to go and read the Gospels and find out about the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. You can read Genesis, it’s a great story. You read those things, that’s the milk of the word, getting saved, faith, believing in God. We’ve got to take that and we got to drink it. And of course, we lean on the church. We got to come to church. Jesus said it was his custom, it was his normal, every-week activity, it was something he did all the time. It was a habit to be in the house of God on Sundays. You know, we always hear that verse quoted, “Forsake not the assembling of yourselves, even more so until you see the day approaching.” Everybody’s heard that scripture, and everybody I tell that to, “I’ve heard that scripture, but I have an excuse for that.” Well, what about Jesus’s custom? Jesus was in the house of God, and we need to be here at church. It’s important. Christina, she’s pregnant, she needs your help. She’s sacrificing her time for the, her child, and the church and the school and, and, amen. The Bible says that every joint supplies. Amen, we can all help, we can all be a part.

▶ 11:31 And of course, a baby, they can cry really well, they cry really loud, you know. When my kids were born, they cry, and I’d come and, you know, I hold them, “Oh, okay, what’s wrong?” And you balance them a certain way, you know, they got Dad wrapped around their

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Hebrews 10:25 (NKJV)

not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.

— Hebrews 10:25 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 10:49 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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Ephesians 4:16 (NKJV)

from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.

— Ephesians 4:16 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 11:24 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

Why should we praise God like children running to their father?

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Short answer: He quotes Psalm 8:2 about babies and says “every week when we come to church there’s no sitting down … we got to stand, we got to praise.” He says his kids run to him saying “I want to be with you,” and “we got to be that way with God.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Guest speaker (name not given in the recording)

▶ 11:53 finger. But that’s okay, especially when they’re babies. And of course we know in Psalm 8:2 it says that “out of the mouths of babies,” I’m sorry, “children and infants I have ordained praise to still the enemy and avenger.” To freeze, to stop the enemy and avenger, to destroy. This word means more than that. So every week when we come to church, there’s no sitting down, there’s no, you know, we got to stand, we got to praise, we got to reach. As a new believer, I was always praising God. I was, may have been messing up, and when it was Friday night, I would come into the service and I would praise and sing with all of my heart. I didn’t care who was next to me, my friends or anything, and that helped me in my life. And my family knows, when we went home I would sing songs and I would drive them nuts singing songs, and as I wanted to lift up the name of Jesus, or, you know, there was just joy in it. You know, who wants to be sad? You know, get the joy of the Lord, get the songs of praise him.

▶ 13:08 Amen. And we come in Sunday morning, we need him, and we want to exalt him, our Father. He deserves so much praise. Amen. You know, we could say a lot about our fathers and praise them and lift them up, but God, our Father, he deserves so much more. When I get home after working a long day, you know, go in early, the kids don’t see me, I come home late, it’s about 7:30, I walk in, Lara’s like this, and the Beckham and Brooklyn, “Dad!” And Lara, you know, for the, to the kids, she’s just, you know, she’s old news, okay. She’s chopped liver. “Dad’s there, I want to be with Dad, I want to jump on him, I want to hug him, and I want

▶ 14:07 to.” Amen. And they get my attention when I come through the door. You know, they don’t, I, I’m trying to put stuff down, just trying to walk around, and they’re just in my legs and all over, they’re saying, “I want to be with you.” Amen. And we got to be that way with God. We got to, we got to stop him, we’ve got to, we’ve got to get in this way, we’ve got to say, “Hey, I want to be, hey, hey, I’m here, I’m here.” You know, when I walk in, they don’t just go in another room. And when we come into God’s house and we lift up his name, it may be embarrassing, you know. That’s the great thing about kids, you know, Brooklyn, they don’t care. You know, Beckham, he could have a pink shoe on, he doesn’t care, you know, he could have his hair is just a mess, and he doesn’t care, “Hey, Dad, I’m here, I’m your son.” They don’t care. And uh, you know, being a teenager, I know how it is. You get up here and you start praising, you just care about everything around you, and you just got to get rid of it. And as an adult, I’m sure we got cares, we got worries, but you got to put them

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Psalm 8:2 (NKJV)

Out of the mouth of babes and nursing infants You have ordained strength, Because of Your enemies, That You may silence the enemy and the avenger.

— Psalm 8:2 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 12:00

What does “salvation” mean, and what does Israel’s slavery in Egypt picture?

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Short answer: He says “when you hear salvation it means deliverance,” and “salvation is not just accepting Christ.” He says Satan “can only accuse, he can only discourage,” and that the taskmasters over Israel picture “sin having a hold over our lives.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Guest speaker (name not given in the recording)

▶ 15:32 aside. Amen. And we want to move to our next topic: Israel experiences salvation. So before they’re experiencing the Savior, and we get saved, we accept Christ and he saves us. He saves us from Satan. Satan doesn’t have any power in every, all these stages, Satan is defeated. So we don’t walk around saying, “Satan’s got me, Satan’s got a hold of,” no, he doesn’t got a hold of you. He doesn’t have a hold of you in the baby stage, he doesn’t have a hold of you in any stage. He can only accuse, he can only discourage, he can only try to get people to mess with you. And salvation, salvation, when you hear “salvation,” it means deliverance, and salvation is not just accepting Christ, and we want to learn that this morning. You see those babies in the last one, both of them being born, that’s salvation, being saved from Satan, that’s

▶ 16:39 salvation. And we need, I’m sorry, there it is: salvation is deliverance. And as you know, Israel, they were slaves of Egypt, and in Exodus 1:11, it says, “So they set over task masters to oppress,” to, to oppress them with, everybody say, “burdens.” Burdens. So they were slaves of Egypt, they had jobs to do that they always had to, you know, these guys would make sure they would do, and they get out there with their whips and say, “You better comply.” And of course, in Hebrews 12:1 we find that it says, “Let us throw off everything that hinders,” all unnecessary weight, all the burden, “and the sin that so easily entangles us.” So these, these task masters, this, this enslaving, being in bondage to Egypt, it’s sin having a hold over our lives. And you see, sin will correct you, sin is going to hurt you, sin is going to whip you, sin is going to require a

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Exodus 1:11 (NKJV)

Therefore they set taskmasters over them to afflict them with their burdens. And they built for Pharaoh supply cities, Pithom and Raamses.

— Exodus 1:11 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 16:49
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Hebrews 12:1 (NKJV)

Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,

— Hebrews 12:1 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 17:17

What are the consequences of sin, and whose kingdom are we building?

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Short answer: He says “there is going to be a consequence” for the choices you make, and quotes Galatians 5:1, “Be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.” Of Israel building Pharaoh’s cities he says that if you are enslaved to sin “you’re not building the kingdom of God,” you’re “building the kingdom of darkness.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Guest speaker (name not given in the recording)

▶ 17:57 consequence. It’s going to, there’s a consequence for that sin, and for you young people that are here, you got to understand, everything you do, the choices you make, there is going to be a consequence. In Galatians 5:1 it says, “Be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.” This is in Galatians, this is the New Testament talking about, don’t be entangled with the yoke of bondage again, the yoke of sin. Sin, you know, a yoke is something that is tied to two things, you’re, you’re here and sin is here. Sin is going to put you through the ringer. Amen. When you have sex outside of marriage and that person, you know, gets pregnant, or that person, it’s going to put you through the ringer. When you, if you decide to kill that child, or that person decides to have a baby and she’s not a great mom, and you, you know, sin is going to have an

▶ 18:56 effect. And if Christians would, would read these stories in, in Exodus and read it with some understanding, you know, you would see here, there’s no, there’s no, there’s no room for sin in your life now. God is not trying to put sin into us, he’s not saying it’s okay for sin to keep being put into, he wants to get it out of us, he wants us to be free from sin. Exodus 1:11 again, it says that they built for Pharaoh treasure cities, Pithom and Rameses. And you got to understand here, Pharaoh is part of a different kingdom, he’s not part of the kingdom of God, and here you have the children of Israel

▶ 19:49 enslaved by, in our terms, it’s by sin, and they’re building whose kingdom? Pharaoh’s kingdom. You see, when you’re enslaved to sin, you’re not building the kingdom of God, you are supporting, you’re building the kingdom of darkness. Two cities. That’s, that’s important for these people that we’ve got excuses that sin is okay, that, you know, it’s okay that I have sin in my life. Yeah, that’s true, but you need to get out of it, cuz right now, in your state, you are supporting, you are going against God. If God, if you’re not for me, you’re against

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Galatians 5:1 (NKJV)

Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.

— Galatians 5:1 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 18:15

How does sin make us bitter, and who is affected?

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Short answer: He quotes Exodus 1:14, “they made their lives bitter with hard service,” and says the people closest to you “have to partake of you.” Children “copy the things we do,” so “We don’t want to have undrinkable parts in our lives.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Guest speaker (name not given in the recording)

▶ 20:40 me. Matthew 16:18, “Upon this rock,” speaking of himself, he’s talking to Peter, “You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church.” You know, Jesus is the chief cornerstone, everything’s built on him. I, “I will build my church,” like I just said, God’s building a kingdom, God’s building a church, he’s building the kingdom of God. We need to be on his side, and sin, entangling yourself with sin, you’re not going to be building the kingdom of God. And I know a lot of you here, these are all basics, but we need to be reminded. Exodus 1:14, “They made their lives bitter with hard service, and mortar, brick, and all kinds of work in the field.” You see, sin makes you

▶ 21:30 bitter. And uh, I’m going to stretch out and say, you know, the word also means undrinkable bitter water, not fresh, not good. You see, you started out fresh water, you started out drinkable when you were born, in, into born again, and then you became bitter, because sin came and made you bitter. You see, we got to get it out, and this is important, because your loved ones, the people around you, the people closest to you are going to partake, have to partake of you. When I come home, my kids partake of my character, they partake of my relationship, and if I am bitter, if I’m undrinkable, when they get old, you know, they’re going to grow up and they’re going to copy the things that I do, no matter if they want to or not, they’re going to, it’s just in them. When they’re around their dad and mom, they’re going to copy the things we do, and when they’re older, they have to decide, “Is that something that I should be doing? Is that something that I have to reject?” And you don’t want your children to have to grow up and decide, “I can’t be like that.”

▶ 22:44 Amen. We don’t want to have undrinkable parts in our lives. In Exodus 1:14, “In all their hard labor the Egyptians used them ruthlessly.” And like I said, sin is going to put you through the ringer, sin is hard work, it’s the hard life. As we’ve been taught, sin, the sinful road is a hard life, and there’s a Father who’s made a way. Sin is not going to stop

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Matthew 16:18 (NKJV)

And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

— Matthew 16:18 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 20:41
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Exodus 1:14 (NKJV)

And they made their lives bitter with hard bondage—in mortar, in brick, and in all manner of service in the field. All their service in which they made them serve was with rigor.

— Exodus 1:14 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 22:53

What does the lamb’s blood on the doorposts teach in Exodus 12?

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Short answer: He says the answer to sin’s hold is to “take a lamb” and put the blood on the door frame, and “Don’t stop going to the cross.” He says “The blood has power. The blood just not only saves us, it delivers us,” and that leaving can cost friends who keep serving the kingdom of darkness.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Guest speaker (name not given in the recording)

▶ 23:21 until it’s put you through the ringer. In Exodus 12:13, they said, uh, most Moses told the congregation, I’m sorry, the Lord told Moses to tell the congregation, “Take a lamb.” So at this stage here, they are, they’ve been born again, and here they are, sin still has a hold in their lives, and the answer is: take a lamb, take a bunch of hyssop, dip it into the blood, into the basin, put some of the blood on the top and the sides of the door frame, put the blood on, all over. You get God’s blood to have its perfect work in your lives. Don’t stop going to the cross, continue, say, “Jesus, I need you. Jesus, I, I’m going to be in your house, I’m going to be calling on you, I’m going to be getting your blood to get forgiveness and deliverance.” The blood can deliver us. The blood has power. The blood just not only saves us, it delivers us.

▶ 24:26 Amen. And when they applied the blood, we know that the death angel came to Israel, to Egypt, and every place that had the blood of Christ, the death angel passed over, and it says that happened at midnight, and a cry rose out because of all the deaths. There was not one house where there wasn’t a death. And Pharaoh got up in the nighttime, and he said, “You guys need to go.” It wasn’t like three days later, it wasn’t a week later, it was now. “You guys got to get out of here, we can’t handle you anymore.” The kingdom of darkness, see, that’s one of the problems that we don’t want to face, our friends. That’s very, it’s very difficult when friends don’t decide to follow Christ, when friends want to continue serving the kingdom of darkness. They’re going to ask you to leave, or they’re not going to associate with you anymore, and it’s a price, it’s a cost that we have to

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Exodus 12:13 (NKJV)

Now the blood shall be a sign for you on the houses where you are. And when I see the blood, I will pass over you; and the plague shall not be on you to destroy you when I strike the land of Egypt.

— Exodus 12:13 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 23:24
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Exodus 12:22-23 (NKJV)

And you shall take a bunch of hyssop, dip it in the blood that is in the basin, and strike the lintel and the two doorposts with the blood that is in the basin. And none of you shall go out of the door of his house until morning. For the LORD will pass through to strike the Egyptians; and when He sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the LORD will pass over the door and not allow the destroyer to come into your houses to strike you.

— Exodus 12:22-23 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 23:48 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

Are there rewards in serving Christ?

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Short answer: He says that when Israel left, the Egyptians gave them gold, silver, precious jewels and clothing for the journey, and “there are rewards in serving Christ. You know, God’s going to give you what you need to serve Christ.” He tells how he was offered a job where he had interned and says “God’s been meeting my needs.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Guest speaker (name not given in the recording)

▶ 25:38 pay. And they had to leave Egypt, this place where there was such a great city, it was such a beautiful city. Of course, now that God had, you know, he had kind of messed it up a little bit, it wasn’t so great now. But again, it says in the Scriptures, the followers of Pharaoh were thrusting them out. The Bible says they’re pushing them out, saying, “You need to go.” But in Exodus 12:32, it says that they took the flock, their flocks, they took their herds, you know, they used to belong to Pharaoh, now they belong to themselves, they got to keep them, they took them with them. In verse 35, the Egyptians gave them gold and silver and precious jewels and clothing. The Egyptians gave them whatever they needed for the journey. You see, there are rewards in serving Christ. You know, God’s going to give you what you need to serve Christ. I remember the first, when I came to my boss, I was being interviewed, and uh, I had worked there for six months as an intern, just, you know, $12 an hour, that’s better than nothing. And uh, I was interning, and about six months into it, you know, at

▶ 27:08 first I asked, “How can I get more hours?” She said, “You got to be a shining star.” And I was like, “Well, okay, I can do that.” So I would be there early, I would be answering emails, you know, that email would come in, I’d be right, an email right back, answer, answer, and pretty soon people knew who I was, and, I, six months into it, she called me and said, “We’re going to offer you a job.” I said, “All right.” You know, God is making a way, and God’s, you know, presence came on me right there, and they wanted to give me a lot of money. I was like, “What? You guys.” I thought I had to go somewhere else. You know, I didn’t understand how it all worked, you know, I’m a newbie, I’m 19, she calls me in, “We’ll give you a job.” I’m like, “Okay, I’ll take it.” And I was able to get all my needs met, and I’ve been working there, and you know, been able to provide for my family. You know, God’s been meeting my needs, and we want to leave that life of sin, and, I, God wants to bless your

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Exodus 12:32-36 (NKJV)

Also take your flocks and your herds, as you have said, and be gone; and bless me also.” And the Egyptians urged the people, that they might send them out of the land in haste. For they said, “We shall all be dead.” So the people took their dough before it was leavened, having their kneading bowls bound up in their clothes on their shoulders. Now the children of Israel had done according to the word of Moses, and they had asked from the Egyptians articles of silver, articles of gold, and clothing. And the LORD had given the people favor in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they granted them what they requested. Thus they plundered the Egyptians.

— Exodus 12:32-36 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 26:09

What does it mean to follow Jesus even if you are not an excellent Christian?

▶ Watch this part (28:16)

Short answer: He says a “mixed multitude” went up with Israel because “some people were convinced that God was the one to follow,” and “God wants to convince people.” He says “you may not be an excellent Christian, but you’re following Jesus Christ, and that is key.” At the Red Sea he says Satan’s influence is something “you’re never going to see it again.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Guest speaker (name not given in the recording)

▶ 28:16 life. And in verse 38 it says a mixed multitude went up also with them. You see, some people were convinced that God was the one to follow. You see, that deliverance, the blood, you know, when it came and all that, what God did in their, in their land, convinced people. And you see, God wants to convince people. God wants to convince people when you can overcome sin, when you become a different person, he’s trying to get other people to serve him and follow him. Amen. And the biggest, best thing that all these people did, 600,000 and a mixed multitude, they went out and they began to follow the cloud, follow the pillar of fire, follow Moses as Moses was following the cloud. And you see, you may not be an excellent Christian, but you’re following Jesus Christ, and that is key.

▶ 29:26 Amen. Exodus 14:13, we know that they followed that cloud, they followed it down to the ocean, and we know that they started to complain, saying, “What’s wrong with you, Moses? You brought us out here to kill us!” As soon as they saw the Pharaoh’s army, they, they started saying, “What are you doing?” And Moses replies, and he says, “The Egyptians you see today, you will never see again.” Satan’s influence over their lives was, they’re, you’re never going to see it again. He’s not going to have influence over you anymore, he’s not going to have any hold over you at all, you’re going to be completely delivered. And God destroyed the armies of Pharaoh, we know that story. He parted the Red Sea, the Israelites walked through it, the armies followed them, and the Red Sea closed up on

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Exodus 12:38 (NKJV)

A mixed multitude went up with them also, and flocks and herds—a great deal of livestock.

— Exodus 12:38 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 28:17
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Exodus 14:13 (NKJV)

And Moses said to the people, “Do not be afraid. Stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which He will accomplish for you today. For the Egyptians whom you see today, you shall see again no more forever.

— Exodus 14:13 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 29:29

Why does he say complaining and accusing are hindrances to deliverance?

▶ Watch this part (30:27)

Short answer: Quoting Luke 10:19, he says “there’s no power in the kingdom of darkness that can overcome the power of Jesus Christ.” The last hindrance is complaining: the people “began to judge Moses” and then God. He warns that when you accuse others, “you better be sure that you’re not doing something in an area that’s similar.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Guest speaker (name not given in the recording)

▶ 30:27 armies. In Luke 10:19, the Bible says, “Behold, I give you power to tread upon scorpions and serpents, and over all,” everybody say “all,” “all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.” Amen. There’s no power in the kingdom of darkness that can overcome the power of Jesus Christ. He has the power to deliver us from sin. And the last hindrance. If any of you guys have read Exodus and Genesis, I’m sure you have, you know that it wasn’t Egypt anymore that was the problem. In Exodus 16:2, the whole community started to grumble against Moses and Aaron, and this is because they didn’t have water for a couple

▶ 31:24 days, and they started to complain. And Exodus, not just complain. You see, complaining is when you say, you’re, you’re not happy with something. They began to say, they began to judge Moses, say, “Why have you done this? What are you thinking?” They begin to judge God. “God, you know, you’re wrong in doing this.” And see, that’s a big problem, you can’t do that. Exodus 6:13, you know, when you go around the church and you start accusing people when you’ve got problems in your own life. Amen. See, that’s, that’s a big deal. When we want to improve something, that’s one thing, but when we want to sit there and accuse and

▶ 32:17 demand that judgment be cast on somebody, you better be sure that you’re not doing something in an area that’s similar. Amen. Exodus 16:3, “We used to have pots of meat and ate all the food we want, we come out here and there’s nothing.” Of course they had the flocks and the herds, I don’t know what happened to them, maybe they’re just exaggerating. We don’t do that. So God provided the manna. God said, “This, this is the finest wheat, I’m going to give you the best wheat there is.” And how many know, at this church we get the best word of God that I’ve ever heard. It’s an excellent

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Luke 10:19 (NKJV)

Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

— Luke 10:19 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 30:29
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Exodus 16:2 (NKJV)

Then the whole congregation of the children of Israel complained against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness.

— Exodus 16:2 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 31:14
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Exodus 16:3 (NKJV)

And the children of Israel said to them, “Oh, that we had died by the hand of the LORD in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the pots of meat and when we ate bread to the full! For you have brought us out into this wilderness to kill this whole assembly with hunger.”

— Exodus 16:3 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 32:34

Why does he say wanting Egypt’s food back is the flesh, not Satan?

▶ Watch this part (33:15)

Short answer: He says the Israelites were “unsatisfied with what God was providing” and remembered the fish, cucumbers and melons of Egypt. He says “you can handle anything for a short time,” and that “Satan has no hold over us anymore”: the longing is “our flesh.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Guest speaker (name not given in the recording)

▶ 33:15 word. And the says in Numbers, same story, 11:4, “The mixed multitude that was among them fell lusting, the children of Israel wept again and said, ‘Who shall give us meat to eat?’” And it says later on, all, they were saying, “All we have is this manna.” You know, “I don’t want this manna.” They were unsatisfied with what God was providing. They wanted to taste, you know, like Paul today, he made my Father’s Day burrito with steak. Man, that was good. And yeah, we like variety, but you know, from, from the time they were delivered to the time it took them to get to the Promised Land, it was less than a year. Come on, you can handle anything for a short time. You don’t have to complain, you don’t have to curse God, you don’t have to accuse him. That’s

▶ 34:12 stupid. And they began to say, “We remember the fish that we did eat in Egypt freely.” Of course they’re dead now because the, the lake was, or the river was blood. “The cucumbers and the melons and the leeks and the onions and the garlic. There’s nothing at all besides this manna.” You see, it’s our flesh. Satan has no hold over us anymore, and we come out there and, and, and things aren’t always rosy-posy in the wilderness. Things aren’t rosy-posy, you don’t have a nice bed to sleep on, you don’t have a wonderful house, they had to sleep in a tent. Situations were a little difficult, and there’s going to be a time in your Christian walk where situations aren’t going to be

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Numbers 11:4 (NKJV)

Now the mixed multitude who were among them yielded to intense craving; so the children of Israel also wept again and said: “Who will give us meat to eat?

— Numbers 11:4 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 33:17

How do emotions lead people to idolatry, as with the golden calf?

▶ Watch this part (35:06)

Short answer: He says that after deliverance from the flesh, another hindrance is emotions: in Exodus 32:1 the people asked Aaron to “make us gods” while “all these emotions were flooding them.” He says Aaron tried to mix the Lord with idol worship, and “a lot of people are doing that today. They’re mixing in their own message with the message of Christ.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Guest speaker (name not given in the recording)

▶ 35:06 great, and the flesh is going to want to say, “I want to do this, I want to do that, I want to go back to what we did before.” And it has nothing to do with Satan, it’s our flesh. So we need deliverance from our flesh, and Christ has the power to do that too. You see, he has the power to deliver us from Satan, from, from enemies, from all these things, and our flesh, and he’s got the power. He doesn’t just save you from hell, he has the power. Let’s continue. Another hindrance: emotions. Exodus 32:1, “The people gathered themselves together unto Aaron and said unto them, ‘Up, get up, make us gods.’” And the reasoning behind this was because they said, “We don’t know where this man Moses is. This man, who, you know,” of course they, they distance themselves from him. This man, this man, you know, he was their family, he was part of the Levites. “Oh, this man, that church, I don’t want to go to that church, that church is just, I don’t know what’s going on with

▶ 36:31 them. That pastor.” You know, we distance ourselves, so then we just, boom, hit him. And they, they got concerned and worried and they were unsure and uncertain and all these emotions were flooding them, so they decide to change things. “Go up and make us gods.” So Aaron just says, “Okay, give me your gold and I’ll make you a god.” He made a calf. I, hello, what is he thinking? And they were living it up again, dancing, stripping naked, yeah, you read it, drinking, partying, worship, worshiping the idol. Here God had just parted the Red Sea. I know, understand that they walked through the

▶ 37:25 ocean. The army is destroyed. None of them were killed. I mean, come on, talk about the timing. There, come on. And you’re just going to follow the mixed multitude to worship gods, because they had gods in Egypt, so they want to, you know, seek your friend, whatever the people want. No. See, Moses, I’m sorry, Aaron, he made the god, and he said, “Tomorrow we’re, we’re going to have a feast to the Lord.” You see, he was trying to mix, he was trying to mix in the Lord

▶ 38:09 and sin. He was trying to mix in wrong teaching, stuff that was just totally wrong. You don’t worship idols, and he was trying to mix in God and the Lord. And you see, a lot of people are doing that today. They’re mixing in their own message with the message of Christ, and it’s very conflicting, it’s very confusing. It’s just like Saul, if you remember the story, when he really, when, when God confronted him, he confronted him because he decided to sacrifice before Samuel got there. He took things into his own hands. He said, “Uh, there’s, you know, Samuel’s not here, there’s a delay, so I’m going to go outside of the pattern and do it my own way. I’m going to make up my own standard, I’m going to make up my own way of doing it, and I’m going to follow that.” You see, you can’t do that. You can’t just start serving [unclear], you can’t just start going outside of the pattern. We got to keep following the pattern. We can’t mix in our own patterns with God’s

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Exodus 32:1 (NKJV)

Now when the people saw that Moses delayed coming down from the mountain, the people gathered together to Aaron, and said to him, “Come, make us gods that shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man who brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we do not know what has become of him.”

— Exodus 32:1 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 35:56

What does fear do, and where does deliverance come from?

▶ Watch this part (39:19)

Short answer: He says that when ten of the twelve gave an evil report in Numbers 13:32, the people wept and wanted to go back to Egypt. He says “we have to confront the kingdom of darkness,” and that people do not say they will serve Satan: “They just say” they are going to go back. He ends with Jonah 2:9, “Salvation is of the Lord,” and “we need deliverance from our fears, our flesh, our emotions.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Guest speaker (name not given in the recording)

▶ 39:19 pattern. And of course, God had taken them all this way to the Promised Land. And we know that an evil report came in Numbers 13:32 regarding the Promised Land. Ten of the twelve that came back brought an evil report. Of course, Joshua and Caleb said, “No, you guys are totally wrong.” And the people begin to fear, they wept all night. Oh my gosh. And they started to say, “Let us make a captain and go back to Egypt,” cuz they were afraid. And we’ve been challenged to reach people with the gospel, and I’ll tell you, I’m afraid, but we can’t, you can’t turn back. There’s people that need to be reached, there’s an enemy that needs to be

▶ 40:20 destroyed. They were afraid of the, the giants, they were afraid of the people, they didn’t want to confront them, and we have to confront the kingdom of darkness. We have to confront that influential kingdom of darkness. And you see, these people totally turn and said, “I’m going to go back to sin, I’m going to go back to the slavery. I don’t want to build the kingdom of God, I want to build the kingdom of darkness.” And you don’t say it like that, of course. People don’t say, “I’m going to serve Satan.” People don’t say, “I’m going to serve the kingdom of darkness.” They just say, “I’m going to go back.” And all the congregation said to stone Joshua and Caleb. You see here, you know, maybe at this point, when they wept all night, you know, maybe they could call on God right there and say, “God, explain this to us. God, help us.” You know, maybe right there they could have still went into the Promised Land. Maybe the threat, even when they said, “Let us make a captain and return,” you know, just the

▶ 41:39 threat. But you see, right here, all the congregation said to stone Joshua and Caleb, God showed up and he said, “Get out of here.” He, he judged them, he, he was going to wipe them out. He, he just, he couldn’t stand that. In Jonah 2:9 it says, “Salvation is of the Lord.” And you see, we need to be saved. We need deliverance from Satan, we need deliverance from sin and its hold in our lives, and we need deliverance from our fears, our flesh, our emotions. You know, those emotions, you know, it’s not bad to have emotions, but when your emotions cause you to do things that are wrong against God’s word, against your family, you got a problem. And you see, salvation, deliverance is from Jesus Christ.

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Numbers 13:32 (NKJV)

And they gave the children of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, “The land through which we have gone as spies is a land that devours its inhabitants, and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great stature.

— Numbers 13:32 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 39:32
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Jonah 2:9 (NKJV)

But I will sacrifice to You With the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay what I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD.”

— Jonah 2:9 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 42:01

More questions this message answers

Short answers drawn only from what he says in this message, each with the moment in the video.

Why does he begin with a story about a baby being born?

He describes the worry of the nine months and says “I was just glad they came out okay after all that.” He uses it to say a baby either is born and lives or dies, and the same is true spiritually.

▶ Watch at 0:52

How does he say a person is “conceived” spiritually?

He says some people, when they hear God’s word, “it triggers a conception, and they begin to grow,” and the church continues that growth until they decide to accept Christ.

▶ Watch at 3:27

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Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

— John 3:3 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 3:29

Does he say God wants anyone to go to hell?

No. He says “God doesn’t want any babies dying,” and that it happens “when we don’t accept him and let him birth us.”

▶ Watch at 4:42

Why does he say Jesus is the only one who can pay for sin?

He says “the payment for your sin is death. Jesus Christ is the only one that has the power to pay for your sin,” and that he is “the only one that went down into hell, and hell couldn’t stand him.”

▶ Watch at 4:42

What does he mean by “the milk of the word”?

He says it is “the basic understanding”: you “read the Gospels and find out about the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ,” which is “getting saved, faith, believing in God.”

▶ Watch at 9:45

What does he say about going to church every week?

He says “It was a habit to be in the house of God on Sundays,” and asks, “what about Jesus’s custom?” He says “we need to be here at church.”

▶ Watch at 9:45

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not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.

— Hebrews 10:25 (NKJV) (quoted; reference not named in the message)▶ Hear it at 10:49

What does he say about babies and praise in the Psalms?

He quotes “out of the mouths of babies” God has ordained praise to still the enemy, and says “This word means more than that.” He concludes that when we come to church “there’s no sitting down.”

▶ Watch at 11:53

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Out of the mouth of babes and nursing infants You have ordained strength, Because of Your enemies, That You may silence the enemy and the avenger.

— Psalm 8:2 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 12:00

How did praising God help him as a new believer?

He says “As a new believer, I was always praising God,” that he sang with all his heart whoever was next to him, and “that helped me in my life.”

▶ Watch at 11:53

What does he say about being embarrassed when we praise God?

He says “it may be embarrassing,” but “That’s the great thing about kids,” who don’t care. For a teenager or adult with cares, “you just got to get rid of it.”

▶ Watch at 14:07

What does he say the “yoke of bondage” is?

He says Galatians 5:1 is “the New Testament talking about, don’t be entangled with the yoke of bondage again, the yoke of sin,” and that “Sin is going to put you through the ringer.”

▶ Watch at 17:57

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Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.

— Galatians 5:1 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 18:15

What does he say children learn from their parents?

He says “they’re going to copy the things that I do, no matter if they want to or not,” and later have to decide whether to reject what they saw.

▶ Watch at 21:30

What does he say about losing friends when you follow Christ?

He says “it’s very difficult when friends don’t decide to follow Christ,” and that they may ask you “to leave, or they’re not going to associate with you anymore.”

▶ Watch at 24:26

What does he say happened at the Red Sea?

He says “God destroyed the armies of Pharaoh,” who followed the Israelites after “He parted the Red Sea, the Israelites walked through it.”

▶ Watch at 29:26

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And Moses said to the people, “Do not be afraid. Stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which He will accomplish for you today. For the Egyptians whom you see today, you shall see again no more forever.

— Exodus 14:13 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 29:29

What does he say Luke 10:19 shows about power?

He quotes “Behold, I give you power to tread upon scorpions and serpents,” and says “He has the power to deliver us from sin.”

▶ Watch at 30:27

Scripture (NKJV)

Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

— Luke 10:19 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 30:29

What does he say about Saul sacrificing before Samuel arrived?

He says Saul “took things into his own hands” and went “outside of the pattern,” and that “We got to keep following the pattern.”

▶ Watch at 38:09

About this transcript

This transcript comes from YouTube’s automatic English captions, which supply the timing and the words. Punctuation, capitalization and paragraphing were added by hand, and obvious caption errors were corrected; his wording was not rewritten. “[unclear]” marks a word or name that was not clear. Editor notes: the speaker is not named in the captions, and he refers to “Mr. Kincer” in the third person, so this appears to be a guest speaker rather than Pastor Kincer; the speaker line shows this and should be confirmed. He tells personal stories about his wife, young children and workplace, and names a church member and another man; those names appear only in the transcript. The captions for some references were written without colons and have been punctuated: “Psalms 82” is shown as Psalm 8:2, “Exodus 1:1” as Exodus 1:11 (the verse about the taskmasters), and “Exodus 1114” as Exodus 1:14. He cites “Exodus 6:13” where he speaks about accusing people when you have problems of your own; no matching passage is shown. His wording “ordained praise” in Psalm 8:2 differs from the NKJV, which reads “strength.” His words on taking a lamb and the hyssop come from Exodus 12:3–22 (he cites “Exodus 12:13”); the NKJV for 12:13 and 12:22–23 is shown. He makes personal and moral statements about sex outside marriage and abortion (about 18:00). “[Unclear]” marks three spots where the captions were not clear (in the first two minutes and near 39:00). Select any time to jump to that moment on YouTube.

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