Did Jesus Christ Exist Before the Creation of the Heavens and the Earth? —August 21, 2022: full transcript and answers

▶ 0:01 Good morning those online good morning those in the room good to be in God’s house we’re going to start this morning with our scripture out of Nehemiah chapter 8. It says that Ezra brought the law before the assembly and read it in the open square from morning until midday my goodness that’s a long time and the ears of all the people were attentive to the book of the law that means they were listening. They were itching to hear what God’s word said and then it says the children of Israel were assembled with fasting and sackcloth. In humbleness with dust on their heads and they stood and confessed their sins the iniquities of their fathers the people that came before them and because of all this at the end they made a covenant and a promise to God to change and there wasn’t any big thing God didn’t come with fire God didn’t come with some crazy judgment they just heard the word of God and that was enough to convict them for God to come with his mighty power in their heart and with his spirit and he he convicted their minds.

▶ 1:12 And just by hearing the law they were convicted and willing to change it says here that stood they stood and confessed their sins and the iniquity of their fathers in America today we have the previous generation that had sins and today we are doing sins and all that kind of stuff we have a lot of wickedness going on. And we. You know no matter what’s happened in the past we’ve got to change where we’re headed today if in your life you’re headed down the wrong path you can confess you can turn from it you can repent and you can get freedom from the the the punishment that God may have and we can make a covenant for him so with that being said let’s stand we’re going to begin this morning with worship we’re going to begin this morning like it says with humbleness toward God let’s stand and worship our God this morning.

▶ 2:31 Joy. Set me free. Set me free filling up my heart with melody brings joy joy. On the day that I got saved those filthy rags I used to wear spotless robes on white.

▶ 3:52 I test and keep it quiet I’ve gotta testify I’ve been changed. By the power resurrection power that conquered death forever and won the victory I’ve been changed by the power resurrection power here. My. In my heart. There is.

▶ 5:27 Precious. There’s wonderful power in the blood there is. There is power power.

▶ 6:24 There is. There is. Up. Is. Is.

▶ 7:49 Thank you. Jesus. Blood can make you free. My. Can Jesus you free.

▶ 8:44 For he saved. The world. And I know. Yes I know. Yes. To the face. Through the mountains.

▶ 10:02 Name. And I know. Yes I know. Jesus. Blood can make a mystery. In temptation. He is near you. The path of safety.

▶ 11:03 Is new praise for. Every day. And I know. Jesus. Jesus Christ. Jesus.

▶ 12:46 Thank you. And I know. Yes I know. Jesus but can make the violence. Yes. Jesus. Oh the blood.

▶ 13:50 Of Jesus. Oh. The blood of Jesus. Oh the blood of Jesus. Washed me white as snow. Let’s lift our hands this morning. Oh the blood of Jesus. Oh.

▶ 14:56 And I know. Yes I know. Jesus. And I know. Yes I know. Jesus. I thank you Lord. For. Saving my soul. Thank you Lord.

▶ 15:49 For. Me. Grace salvation. So rich. You. For saving. My soul. Thank you. Thank you.

▶ 16:47 For. Giving to me. Thy great salvation. So rich. Thank you. Jesus. Oh. Foreign.

▶ 18:02 Is. As the pastor comes to share the word this morning let’s bow our heads in prayer. Lord Jesus who reminded this morning God Lord of the people that came response to approach you Jesus. God like Zacchaeus God he sought to see you he came and he was humble toward you and God he repented for his wrong he turned from God Lord Jesus in Nehemiah chapter 8 as we read this morning when the people heard your word God they humbled themselves they fasted they prayed Jesus they became humble before you and they also turn from the wrong.

▶ 18:57 God oh God you love us so much even the thief on the cross God he humbled himself before you and he told the other thief to be quiet. And he said don’t you understand that this is the king of kings the Lord of lords. We deserve our punishment but this man does not. Lord Jesus you were merciful toward him God we thank you this morning Lord today you’re merciful to us you love us and God Lord we want to do like these people did Lord turn respond and humble ourselves before you this morning we thank you Jesus we pray for our heart like these people we thank you and everyone said amen. Okay. This session is going to be rather short and we’re going to have a time afterward for a question.

▶ 19:50 So you may want to get your pencil and paper out in case you get stirred up for any questions you can ask them at the end. We’re going to talk about did Jesus Christ exist before the creation of the heavens and the earth. Is there authentic recorded history before Genesis 1. All history books inform readers about the past. From authentic ancient records the Bible is an authentic ancient record. Books on origins of the universe. Teach readers. What was before what was during what was after an event and why the event and how the event took place and the Bible.

▶ 20:51 Does exactly that. A book’s preface. Along with who authored the book is always at the beginning of a book. The preface tells us what the subject of the book is about the scope the details of the subject and the goal the purpose of that book. Now. All books have the preface at the beginning but not the Bible the Bible has the preface at the end of a book. In II Timothy 3:16. All scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for doctrine profitable for reproof profitable for correction and instruction in righteousness the whole Bible is about righteousness living right speaking right doing right treating others right.

▶ 21:54 It’s what the preface of the Bible says. No prophecy of the scripture is any private interpretation but men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost so God is the author. Of the Bible. Those writers could not write any of their own opinions they could only write what God allowed them to write. Things written in the past things written in history Bible history were written for our learning. Romans 15:4 they were written for our admonition and our examples. Upon whom the ends of the world are come and so God gave us a history.

▶ 22:50 That is the most detailed history you can follow mankind back to Adam through chronology. Than any other book in this earth. Now. In Psalms 119:160. It says thy word is truth from the beginning. People want to say and keep saying that the Bible is a book of faith. The Bible never says it is a book of faith and you have to have faith for it to work. The Bible says is a book of truth and if you exercise that truth it will work. Amen. It also said in John 17:17 when Jesus is praying.

▶ 23:43 He said Lord your word is truth. Now. Matthew 13:35. Quoting from Psalm 78:2 Jesus said this I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world from the creation of heaven and earth. I have kept certain things a secret. But now I am going to reveal them unto you so there are things hidden in the Old Testament. That Jesus will reveal now there are things in the New Testament that are hidden from those that won’t come to Christ because Christ is the only one that can reveal. Bible truths to you.

▶ 24:35 And that’s why the preface of the Bible is written at the end of the book. Because these things were kept secret now he tells you the purpose of the book the author of the book the scope of the book. And the subject of the book. So. What are. These hidden things are you interested. What has been hidden. The Bible records that Christ Jesus existed. Before the creation of the world. Christ existed before the creation of the world. Jesus said father. Glorify you me with your own self with your own glory with your own honor.

▶ 25:29 Which is the glory that I had with you. Before the world was so Jesus was with God before the world was and he had the same glory of God before the world was not a secondary glory the same glory. Jesus goes on to say you loved me father before the foundation of the world before you created anything. I was with you I had your identical glory are you with me to it. Then in first Peter 1:18-20. Christ as a lamb without blemish and without spot. Who truly was foreordained predetermined before the foundation of the world before the creation Jesus Christ was predetermined to be a lamb without blemish and without spot.

▶ 26:33 But now it’s manifested to us in these last times. John 1:1 as we all know this great scripture in the beginning was the word and the word was with God there’s that with God again. Up here Jesus says I was with you here it says the word was with God and the word was God wow remember Jesus said the same glory you had. I have. Jesus is God the same was in the beginning with God he emphasizes that Jesus Christ was with God. At the beginning and before the beginning. Okay before the world was the same was at the beginning with God all things were made by him. By the word by Jesus Christ everything was made by him and without him not anything made that was made.

▶ 27:34 Now Jesus is not a created being because he created all things. And he didn’t create himself. Think about it. The word was made flesh and dwelt among us. That’s Jesus and we beheld his glory the same glory that the father had Jesus had. The glory is on the as the only begotten of the father Jesus Christ then he names him Jesus Christ was before the world began he was with God before the world began he was God before the world began can I hear an amen. No one. Jesus said has ascended to heaven but he who came down from heaven the son of man who is in heaven.

▶ 28:32 Now Jesus was on earth when he spoke this he spoke this on earth and he spoke he that he was going to ascend back to heaven he came down from heaven and yet he is in heaven. Now these other verses told us why he was with God at the beginning he was God at the beginning he had the identical glory of God at the beginning and at the beginning he was the destined lamb of God without spot or wrinkle can I hear amen hallelujah now we know that enoch and Elijah were caught up and ascended into heaven we know that. But this one is different they didn’t descend from heaven they ascended into heaven without dying like the last generation will but Jesus descended from heaven.

▶ 29:28 Because he was in heaven with God before the creation of the world. And when he said this he was on earth and the father was in heaven. Jesus is God. Now it is hard for us human beings in our human mind to accept that our one supernatural God can have several forms. It’s also hard for us to accept that God can be everywhere at the same time with. Other forms. Very hard for our human mind we we want to think. Like humans think and you can’t when it comes to the scriptures you got to think as God things.

▶ 30:25 We say God is supernatural but we. Want to keep him in our frame mind our frame of thinking. It’s hard to accept that Christ existed before he created everything. With God’s equal glory he had God’s equal glory and created everything. But folks that is literally what the Bible says regarding. The one supernatural. God. And I. Challenge you to think about these verses in your daily devotion. And pray about these verses and let God open your understanding to understand the scripture. Now.

▶ 31:20 Questions and answers. That should have stirred a lot of questions. No. Yes sir. Is Jesus Christ begotten of the father. Yes. Begotten of the father. How can that be. See this is a good question. Is mary really the mother of Jesus. Hey your brain is engaging. You see was Jesus really a lamb.

▶ 32:15 No. He was. In fleshly form. Sacrifice on that cross for the sins of the world it wasn’t a lamb on the cross it was Jesus. So. Did mary really birth. Conceive Jesus. That is a question that’s going to be answered as we pursue. The history. From God’s Bible. Any other question these are good questions these this opening. Session should stir up a lot of questions. Because you see a lot of churches say that Jesus is the son of God period and then there is a God these verses throw out the trinity word.

▶ 33:11 Yes sir I’ve been to a lot of funerals and they say oh he’s looking down from heaven and he’s happy you’re all here or something for the person that has died but that scripture right there John 3 says no one has ascended to heaven. But he that came down from heaven. Yes so that person what you’re saying is that person that died isn’t up in heaven looking down upon it that is a good see those are good questions see we say things that we don’t have anything to back up in scripture excellent questions. You like these questions do you like your mind stirred to think okay yes sir. Okay yes sir.

▶ 34:14 Correct. So. Why is God. Okay why were there two people in heaven God and Jesus at the right hand yes okay because the fleshly body now listen carefully the fleshly body that Jesus. That name Jesus that tells us who Jesus was that fleshly body died but you cannot kill God. God is eternal spirit just like our spirit lives forever God’s spirit lives forever. So that body that went to the grave then rose on Sunday morning the third day and then ascended unto heaven that body and which God was is seated at the right hand of the father and this is important it’s that body that God is coming back in again and the whole world will recognize.

▶ 35:20 That through the scars in his hand the scars in his head the side pierced the scars in his feet that this is Jesus Christ the lamb that was shed for the sins of the world no other religion offers you that proof but when the end time comes that body sitting beside God on the throne. Will come back. To take his people for eternity in heaven and judge all those that reject him in eternity in the lake of fire does that answer the question. It’s going to be obvious that it’s the crucified Jesus and everybody in the world is going to see that and be able to identify who that is absolutely yes and so it’s kept as like some sort of tool to be used in the future.

▶ 36:17 Well yes see there’s a lot of people the Bible says even in the Bible that there’s a lot of people saying they’re the messiah. All throughout history people have come seen their messiah we know the real messiah because of the scars. But even the Jews rejected Jesus at that time. Right yes. Nobody can. Reject. The proof when that body comes back down to earth to catch up his people forever that body is our proof. I see and that’s why the body of Christ is important but it doesn’t mean there’s two gods. Yes sir okay the Bible says in the Old Testament his vision was marred he threw out his beard he plucked everything out so when he comes back the second time that’s the Jesus that’s the Jesus.

▶ 37:23 Not the glorified Jesus that Jesus the glorified Jesus we will live with. And on a new heaven and new earth but that crucified Jesus is the one everybody will have to bow down to and admit that he is the Lord. Isn’t that powerful. Yes yes sir oh okay you’ve got a mind any other question see this teaching is going to stir up a lot of questions this teachers are going to challenge a lot of denominational thinking. That people have just accepted because they heard it over and over and over and over there are denominations that flat out refuse. To believe Jesus is any other than just the son of God and yet we today saw that Jesus was in heaven before God created anything yes.

▶ 38:23 When he comes back you’re saying that when he comes we’re going to recognize him that he is God. He’s the crucified lamb but but the earth is going to recognize him as God well he the Bible says he is God well that’s what I mean but he’s coming back in that crucified body okay as proof that he was the one that died on the cross and rose for our sins yes. And and no religion can oppose that there he is with the scars. Powerful. And God had all this figured out before he created the world. See any other questions. Are you saying there’s a problem with the trinity teaching today and if so what are you saying is the issue.

▶ 39:18 We will see as this develops but if there is one God. And that God is Jesus and that God is the Holy Spirit and that God is an angel who appeared to like Joseph and some others. It’s still one God he can just. Shape himself into any form he chooses. It’s still one God don’t Christians believe in one God. Right the Muslims are lying when they say Christians believe in three gods the trinity doesn’t say there’s three gods the trinity just separates God from being one. Hallelujah. See we need our mind thinking in my humble opinion God is going to move so strongly in these last days with the word of God with these truths that have been hidden since the world began he is going to restore and reform his denominational churches his own people.

▶ 40:31 Because the truth the word is what sets us free the word is what gives us understanding the word is what heals us the Bible says and the word is what makes us wiser than our enemies doesn’t the church need to be wiser than the sinners and the atheists yes and it’s the word. And we have been focusing on a lot of things other than the word but the word of God is powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword that separates the fleshly from the spiritual isn’t that what the Bible says and is a discerner. Of the intents and the thoughts of a heart it’s the word that needs to go out and this church has a grave responsibility to get the word out it doesn’t matter how small you are God can save in the Old Testament he said by many or by few don’t look at how big you are and don’t look how few you are look to getting the word of God out and that word will cause people to believe and that word will deliver people that word will heal people and set people free.

▶ 41:48 And make them wiser. Than those who oppose God could that be an amen. There’s no such thing as retiring in the kingdom. Hallelujah. Any other questions. Now I got a slew of them. But I was the one that got challenged with these questions. And I had to get answers. So next week or not next week next time I speak we will hit another. Thing hidden. From the beginning of the world. But is now made known.

▶ 42:41 Interested. Hallelujah for your average Christian why is this important to understand. Because when this session is over. Any idiot Christian is going to understand the Bible. People say I can’t understand about when these sessions are over you’re going to realize that you can understand the Bible. Are you interested yes you don’t have to go to Bible seminary you don’t have to you know have a iq of 200 or anything God. Is going to show you how simple his word is to understand and the power that comes from understanding.

▶ 43:36 Knowledge is power and my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge not for lack of Jesus. Not for lack of Jesus dying on the cross the people are destroyed for lack of knowledge after they get saved they don’t have knowledge. And they hurt themselves and they hurt others. I mean why do you think we have 50 percent divorce in the Christian church in America. Somebody didn’t follow the knowledge. Of God’s work. Amen. And divorce is not as we showed you the unpardonable sin. Why do we have Christians arguing over petty doctrines that have nothing to do with the harvest field or with eternal life because we don’t have knowledge.

▶ 44:40 And didn’t the Bible say don’t remove yourself from the simplicity. Of God. Is God trying to make things difficult for us no but we got we can only get this kind of knowledge from himself. And that is through his work. Your human brain cannot think these things through. All right. We got a lot of Christians living in sin. They shacking up with you know and and doing all kinds of atrocious things without any guilt. In America today isn’t that true yeah don’t we have millions of people addicted to alcohol and drugs and killing themselves and destroying their physical life.

▶ 45:37 And our government isn’t curing it and the church is silent. But the word can set people free. Knowledge. Can make the difference. Did you enjoy this question and answer period. That’s what God told me to do at the end of this just that’s question. Ask them to go to their daily devotion with these verses ask them to go to their daily prayer with these verses and watch what happens. Will we do that. Amen. Amen if God did all this before the world began. There is no new plans. Man creates new plants God had the same plan before the world began.

▶ 46:37 Hallelujah. And he gives it. To the simple people who will seek him and pursue him. All right no more questions. Mr mike. We’re gonna take up the offering if I can have my ushers um. Pass out the offering we’re gonna. We’re gonna bow our heads in prayer let’s take some time this morning to pray.

▶ 47:16 And uh let’s take a few moments here Lord Jesus we come before you this morning and let’s just lift up our voices together Lord God we coming for this morning God Lord we pray Lord Jesus that we would understand your word God we pray Lord Jesus that you’d come to us with your word and convict us wherever we’re at Lord if we’re a 30-year Christian or a year Christian or not a Christian God we pray that your word would come powerfully with your spirit Lord and convict us Jesus just like it said in Nehemiah chapter 8 Lord God the people as soon as they heard those words they were convicted God Lord that word began to transform and to set them free we pray Lord Jesus that today your word would be just as powerful as back then that would be just as powerful as when you start after that you died on the cross and the church began to spread worldwide God Lord we pray that your word will never your word never loses its power Jesus your blood your word your truth Jesus it never loses its power we pray that you back it up with the spirit of God Lord you come into our hearts and our minds Jesus you speak to us you convict us guide us and teach us into the uh the new way of following you Jesus we pray Lord we ask this in your holy name and everyone said amen amen.

▶ 48:36 Amen. So let’s take up the offering. Being we were going to be having food afterwards right. Oh that was nice of him excellent. I want to share um last week we had a I was sharing how uh is doing a message on repentance and I just want to give you some progress on that so far so it just you know it took a week to turn it around I think I got my last go ahead uh those online want to thank you for joining us I trust you heard God’s word uh very simple straightforward uh verses and understanding from the Bible we trust you can take. Take that away like he said and put it in your daily devotions. We pray that God would bless you with the word of God and like it says that he’ll set you free with that word thank you for joining us God bless you.