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From the sermonBeasts, Saints, and Harvests Part 3 · Pastor David G. Kincer▶ 0:00

In this third lesson, Pastor David G. Kincer teaches from Revelation 14 that the 144,000 with the Lamb on Zion are the church, written with God’s name as overcomers, and that “virgins” means spiritual purity kept through repentance. He covers first fruits, servants, brethren and remnant, the gospel harvest, the two harvests, and why he says we are to fear God, ending that the church, not the beast, is the powerful one.

Who are the 144,000 with the Lamb on Mount Zion? (Revelation 14:1, 3:12)

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Short answer: He says “Zion is the church,” so the 144,000 with the Lamb are the people of God, and that he has “no idea what 144,000 is” beyond 12 times 12. Reading Revelation 3:12, he says the overcomer gets God’s name written on him, that we overcome “by our faith in Jesus Christ,” and “we have the name of God written on us” if we pursue God as overcomers.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 0:00 Now let’s get to the people of God. I like this part of Revelation here: 144,000 with the Lamb on Zion, Revelation 14. Zion is what? Yeah, Hebrews 12 and other places, Zion is the church. So here is 144,000 with the Lamb. There are two tribes missing, one tribe is mentioned twice in the listing. All right, and you know God don’t make those kind of mistakes. So obviously he’s not interested in 12 tribes, is he? And he’s really not interested in 144,000. I have no idea what 144,000 is, except, you know, 12 times 12 is 144 and 120,000, you know. And they have their Father’s name written in their forehead.

▶ 0:55 Okay, well, this is a no-brainer. We know Zion is the church, we know the Lamb, Jesus, is why we are saved, isn’t that right? Jesus dying on the cross, we know that. And all of us, what, have to believe in the Lamb, ain’t that right? Now, if we can get the name of God on our forehead, we got it. Revelation 3:12, remember this teaching, very first, second one, first, first or second one: “He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God.” Now, who’s the temple of God? The people, the believers. “And he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of my God.” Wow. This 144,000 had what written on them? The name of God. I have written on me, if I’m an overcomer. And how do we overcome? By our faith in Jesus Christ. “He that overcometh the world.”

▶ 2:01 Are we overcomers of the world? Are we destined to do that? Do we give up because we haven’t quite made it yet? No, man, we’re on the assembly line, just hang tight, the thing’s coming. Hallelujah. “And the name of the city of my God.” What’s the city of God? The church, the New Jerusalem, “which comes down out of heaven from my God, and I will write on him” what? “My new name.” Are you there, church? Now, if we’re pursuing God to be overcomers and conquerors in this life, we have the name of God written on us. Hallelujah. We are Zion, we are the church.

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Revelation 14:1 (NKJV)

Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their foreheads.

— Revelation 14:1 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 0:09
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Hebrews 12:22 (NKJV)

But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,

— Hebrews 12:22 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 0:15
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Revelation 3:12 (NKJV)

He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.

— Revelation 3:12 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 1:16
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1 John 5:4 (NKJV)

For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

— 1 John 5:4 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 1:58 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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Revelation 21:2 (NKJV)

Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

— Revelation 21:2 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 2:24

What is the new song, and are the 144,000 literal Jewish virgins? (Revelation 14:3–4)

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Short answer: He says the new song is ours, citing the psalm “He hath put a new song in my heart” and “psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs.” He says “there isn’t some 144 Jews over there in Palestine that God is going to raise up to be virgins,” that God “is interested in the whole world,” and that the first thing is to “get redeemed, repent, and get saved.” He says “there’s nothing wrong with getting married and having sex in marriage,” so “it can’t be this virgin thing.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 2:53 Hallelujah. Now, he says they had a new song. Well, what does the Psalm say? “He hath put a new song in my heart, a song of praise unto my God, and many shall see and turn and put their trust in the Lord.” It says over and over, sing unto the Lord a new song. In Ephesians it says speak and sing to yourself as “psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs.” New songs, we are the ones that have the new song. Are you getting this? Say, “Oh me,” or “Amen.” You see, there isn’t some 144 Jews over there in Palestine that God is going to raise up to be virgins. They don’t even believe in Christ. And that’s what these theory people, they try to make their theories come to pass. God is interested in the whole world, he’s not willing that any should perish, isn’t that right?

▶ 3:56 Now, let’s continue. “Redeemed from the earth.” I don’t even have to show scripture, that we all know we’ve been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, right? Every one of us. Okay, so see, it’s still us. The first thing we got to do is get redeemed, repent, and get saved. Ah, here we are. They’re virgins. They’re virgins, and it plainly says they’re virgin, never knew a woman, that’s what it says. Okay. And they follow the Lamb. Okay, hallelujah. Well, that leaves out Peter, John, King David, Job, Noah, and the God that wrote the book in the very beginning of the book said it is good for a man to leave his mother and father and cleave to his wife. There’s nothing wrong with getting married and having sex in marriage. God can’t contradict his word, so it can’t be this virgin thing. Are you out there?

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Psalm 40:3 (NKJV)

He has put a new song in my mouth— Praise to our God; Many will see it and fear, And will trust in the LORD.

— Psalm 40:3 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 3:01
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Ephesians 5:19 (NKJV)

speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord,

— Ephesians 5:19 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 3:17
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2 Peter 3:9 (NKJV)

The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

— 2 Peter 3:9 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 3:52 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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Revelation 14:3-4 (NKJV)

They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.

— Revelation 14:3-4 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 3:59
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Genesis 2:24 (NKJV)

Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

— Genesis 2:24 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 4:56 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

What does he say it means to be a “spiritual virgin”? (2 Corinthians 11:2, Isaiah 54:5, Revelation 19:7)

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Short answer: He says Paul’s words to the Corinthians, “I’ve espoused you to one husband, to present you as a chaste virgin,” mean “the absence of sin, the absence of walking in darkness and disobeying God,” not “fleshly virginity.” He says “I become a spiritual virgin” through Christ’s blood and “I maintain that through the principle of repentance.” He cites Isaiah 54:5 and Revelation 19:7 and says “adulthood is 20 years old,” telling young people to “hang tight.” These are his views.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 5:15 I mean, how many of you are going to be willing to become an overcomer by not having sexual relationships while here on earth? No hands are jumping up. You know, you wanted to get married, you wanted to have kids, am I right? Who put that in you? Your Creator. And then he’s going to punish you because you’re not a virgin? It doesn’t make sense. But this does, are you ready? “I’ve espoused you to one husband, to present you as a chaste virgin.” To who? Who’s he talking to? The Corinthian believers. I’m preaching to you and I’m praying with you and, and, and we’re working together that you become this pure, chaste virgin that Jesus is looking for. He’s not talking about fleshly virginity there. He’s talking about the absence of sin, the absence of walking in darkness and disobeying God. You young’uns getting this? Hallelujah.

▶ 6:35 “You should be married.” Romans 7:14: “You should be married to another, even to him,” should be capitalized, that’s Jesus, “who is raised from the dead.” We should be married to who? Jesus, who is raised from the dead, and he marries what? Virgins. How do we become virgins when we were sinners? His blood. His blood cleanses from what? All sin. I become a virgin, I become a spiritual virgin, and I maintain that through the principle of repentance. If I mess up, I repent and I am restored back to what? Being a spiritual virgin. Now, this makes sense. Isaiah 54:5: “Your Maker, your Husband, the Lord of hosts is his name, your Redeemer.” See, the Redeemer and the Husband, it’s all one package. Hallelujah.

▶ 7:35 Revelation 19:7: “The marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife,” his what? “Wife has made herself ready.” That’s us. We’re ready, Lord. We’re mature. Men marry mature women, and women marry mature men. We don’t marry kids. Sex with kids and all that’s out in the Bible, that’s ridiculous. “Sex by eight or you’re too late” is just ridiculous. Are you with me? And adulthood is 20 years old. You young ones, look at me, the Bible says adulthood is 20 years old. How old? 20. You hang tight to your 20 and you’ll live a life that’s right. Hang tight and live right. Don’t you get to be 14, you got breasts sticking out, and you know, you got pubic hair and so forth, and you think, “Man, I’m more grown.” No, you’re not. Wait till you’re 20. Hang in there. Yes, that’s a good place for a hallelujah.

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2 Corinthians 11:2 (NKJV)

For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

— 2 Corinthians 11:2 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 5:49
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Romans 7:4 (NKJV)

Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.

— Romans 7:4 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 6:36
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1 John 1:7 (NKJV)

But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

— 1 John 1:7 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 7:00 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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Isaiah 54:5 (NKJV)

For your Maker is your husband, The LORD of hosts is His name; And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel; He is called the God of the whole earth.

— Isaiah 54:5 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 7:20
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Revelation 19:7 (NKJV)

Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.”

— Revelation 19:7 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 7:35

Who are the first fruits, and how is the church presented without blemish? (1 Corinthians 15:20, James 1:18, Ephesians 5:27)

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Short answer: He says “just because you got the equipment doesn’t mean you’re capable of using it yet,” then that the first fruits are “we are, the church,” citing 1 Corinthians 15:20 and James 1:18. He says the church is “an overcomer in this world in spite of the beast,” and reading Ephesians 5:27 he says the blood keeps us “faultless before Christ as long as we admit our sin and we keep going to him.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 8:39 He said, “Well, he gave me this equipment, surely I got to use it.” Don’t you dare. He gave you hands, but don’t drive a car at nine. Right? Amen. Hallelujah. Yeah. Yeah. Just because you got the equipment doesn’t mean you’re capable of using it yet, and using it rightly. Hallelujah. Now, he says these are the first fruits, no deceit or faults in them. These are the first fruits. 1 Corinthians 15:20: “Christ has risen from the dead and become the first fruits of them that slept.” James 1:18: “Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of first fruits of his creation.” So who are the first fruits? We are, the church. These people are missing the whole focus of Revelation, that is, the church is an overcomer in this world, in spite of the beast, in spite of Satan, and everything that comes against us, we are overcomers.

▶ 9:55 And that’s why we’re here today. Our forefathers overcame, not all of them. They handed this stuff down to us. Ephesians 5:27: “Present the church to himself, the bride, a glorious church with no spot, no wrinkle, no blemish, but holy.” What’s he going to present to himself? This first fruit people that are without blemish, no faults. Why are we have no faults, even though we have faults? The blood. And we’re on the assembly line, we’re following Christ, and the blood covers us, the blood keeps cleansing us, the blood keeps keeping us a virgin, a spiritual virgin for Christ, faultless before Christ, as long as we admit our sin and we keep going to him. We’re on the assembly line, he keeps changing us. And if you don’t change, you’re going to burn.

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1 Corinthians 15:20 (NKJV)

But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

— 1 Corinthians 15:20 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 9:18
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James 1:18 (NKJV)

Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures.

— James 1:18 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 9:24
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Ephesians 5:27 (NKJV)

that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.

— Ephesians 5:27 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 10:08

What does he say about hell and the church prevailing? (Matthew 16:18)

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Short answer: He says “the people want to laugh at the Bible … they’re going to burn,” and reading Matthew 16:18 he says “we’re supposed to be overcoming the gates of hell.” Of people who claim hell is just the grave, he says “they’re lying to you,” because “there’s a power in hell” and the church prevails against it. These are his views.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 11:03 The people want to laugh at the Bible and all that, they’re going to burn. Matthew 16:18: “The gates of hell shall not prevail against” what? The church. See, we’re supposed to be overcoming the gates of hell. And these people that say that, “Oh, hell isn’t like that, it isn’t a place of the fire, and it isn’t a place, it’s just a place where you go and you’re in the grave,” they’re lying to you. It says the church does not prevail against hell. What good does it do to prevail against someone that’s dead and has no life after that? There’s a power in darkness, there’s a power in hell, there’s a power in that judgment, and the church, what? Prevails against it. We overcome it. Okay, the saints are likened to servants in Revelation, the brethren, the remnant, and the bride. The servant does things out of duty.

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Matthew 16:18 (NKJV)

And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

— Matthew 16:18 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 11:09

What are the servants, the brethren, the remnant and the bride? (Revelation 12:11, 12:17)

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Short answer: He says servants “just do it because it’s their duty,” the brethren “overcome Satan by the blood of the Lamb,” and the remnant “keep the commandments of God and follow Christ.” He says Satan “makes war with those that believe, even do something about it,” and the bride is last.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 12:06 They don’t feel like it, they don’t want to, they just do it because it’s their duty, and all of us are to be servants. Then there’s the brethren. The brethren are a little different. They overcome Satan “by the blood of the Lamb, and they loved not their life unto death, and the word of their testimony.” The brethren are [unclear], they overcome Satan, they don’t let sin and Satan rule and control their life. Are you there? The remnant are they that, what? Keep the commandments of God and follow Christ. That’s us. We’re supposed to keep the commandments of God and follow Christ, isn’t that right? We’re supposed to go from believer to servant to discipleship to being brethren to being the remnant. That he makes war with the remnant, you know why? Because they keep the command. He’s not interested in people that just believe and don’t follow Christ. Satan makes war with those that believe, even do something about it. So if you don’t have problems in your life, it’s a good chance you’re not much, a, you’re not, you haven’t gone past the servanthood.

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Revelation 12:11 (NKJV)

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.

— Revelation 12:11 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 12:16
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Revelation 12:17 (NKJV)

And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

— Revelation 12:17 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 12:35

What is the harvest where the gospel is preached to all nations? (Revelation 14:6–7)

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Short answer: He says the saints are still here and the gospel is preached “to all nations, saying, fear God, praise and worship God, the judgment is come.” He says “nothing has happened like this in history” as the emphasis on praising and worshiping Jesus, and that people in many churches cannot hide behind “I was raised this way.” He says he will show who Babylon is “without leaving the book of Revelation.” He also names churches and denominations; see the editor note.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 13:08 In fact, if you don’t do things just because it’s your duty, you’re probably just a weak wimp believer. You haven’t gotten out of the baby crib yet. Could that be an amen? And then the bride. Oh, the bride prepared for her husband. Okay, last but not least, the harvest. The gospel is preached. See, the saints are still here, right? We just found out the saints are still here, and the gospel is being preached by who? The saints, the people of God. God’s wrath and God’s judgment and the harvest. Here we go. The gospel is preached. It says there to all nations, saying, “Fear God, praise and worship God, the judgment is come.” Okay, and nothing has happened like this in history like our generation, where there’s an emphasis on praising and worshiping Jesus Christ. The Baptists are doing it now. Catholics have a separate group in the back room that are doing it. They’re praising and worshiping God. Why? God said this would happen before he would come.

▶ 14:32 Hallelujah. And you don’t have to, you can sit there like a dodo bird and go, “Well, you know, I was raised this way, and I’m shy, and I was, you know, born a Baptist, I’ll die a Baptist,” or whatever. I just told you the Baptists are being converted to the Bible. They’re praising and worshiping and singing choruses, and the judgment has come. All right, and what do we preach? We preach to fear God, turn from your sins, praise and worship him, follow him, pray and seek him, for there’s a judgment coming where you’re going to be accountable for what you say and do. Now, here’s God’s wrath, judgment: Babylon has fallen. We’ll be getting into that very clearly. I’m going to show you clearly who Babylon is from the Bible without leaving the book of Revelation. That sound fair? So see, this is like the old series, you know, they, they ended it with a what’s going to happen next. Everybody’s got Babylon this and Babylon that. The Bible plainly tells us who Babylon is, Revelation does: the beast worshipers, and those that have the Mark.

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Revelation 14:6-7 (NKJV)

Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”

— Revelation 14:6-7 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 13:59
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Revelation 14:8 (NKJV)

And another angel followed, saying, “Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”

— Revelation 14:8 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 15:09

What does he say the two prophets and “limited supernatural power” are? (Revelation 11)

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Short answer: He says the beast worshipers are being challenged by the saints and by “two prophets who have supernatural powers” who counteract the second beast, “a display of full supernatural power against a display of limited supernatural power.” Of the two witnesses killing people with fire from their mouths, he says “I highly doubt that’s really what he’s talking about.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 15:38 I mean, you got to remember, we just left two prophets that were calling down fire from heaven and tormenting mankind. We got these supernatural people doing super... we got two supernatural powers working against each other here. Are you, are you there? Do you remember the two witnesses, the two prophets, that tormented people on earth for three and a half years, bringing fire? They would kill them with fire from their mouth. We’ve never seen that, and I highly doubt that’s really what he’s talking about. Are you there? So the beast worshipers, they that worship the beast, they are being challenged by the word of God from the saints of God who won’t worship the beast. At the same time they’re getting a challenge, and not only are they challenging, when this supernatural beast comes up, these two prophets who have supernatural powers are counteracting the supernatural power of the second beast, if you can read it right. And it’s a display of full supernatural power against a display of limited supernatural power. Hallelujah.

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Revelation 11:5 (NKJV)

And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner.

— Revelation 11:5 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 16:05

What is the patience of the saints, and which group do you want to be in? (Revelation 13:10, 14:12)

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Short answer: He says the beast worshipers “enter into eternal torment,” and “this is the patience of the saints”: the saints are “patiently waiting for God to remove these people” and “turn the table on them.” He asks which group you want to be in, the one that takes 666 and “can buy and sell,” or the one that says “I’m following Christ,” even if we do not have “full victory” now.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 17:09 And they’re going to enter into eternal torment, not just tormented now while they’re here on earth, they’re going to go into the torment, the hell fire and brimstone and all that. And then he comes up and says, “This is the patience of the saints.” They that lead into captivity shall, what, go into captivity. They that kill with the sword shall be killed with the sword. And so the saints are just patiently waiting for God to remove these people, this beast, and put them into captivity, and these that want to use force to get their way, they go, they’re just waiting for God to turn the table on them. Are you there? Now, which group you want to be? You want to be the one that takes the 666 and you can buy and sell and go on through life, and then when you’re confronted with Jesus Christ, you’re in trouble? Or you want to be one that says, “I’m following Christ, I’m following what’s right, and yes, it may look bleak for us now, and we may not have full victory and full control over everything in this earth, but it’s coming”?

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Revelation 13:10 (NKJV)

He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

— Revelation 13:10 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 17:22
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Revelation 14:12 (NKJV)

Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

— Revelation 14:12 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 17:20

What are the two harvests? (Revelation 14:14–20)

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Short answer: He says “there’s two harvests”: the harvest of the earth, which is “us” (“the dead in Christ will rise”), and then “the wrath of God’s wine press.” He says the wrath, the second coming and the day of judgment are “all one package.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 18:15 And everyone with the mark’s in serious trouble. Ain’t that what it says? Man, don’t get me no more, I don’t even want to get close to the kingdom of Satan. Then there’s two harvests. He says the harvest is ripe. The angel says, “Put in your sickle and reap the harvest, for the harvest is ripe.” It’s ready. Isn’t that what Jesus said? “Look upon the fields, for they are white, ripe for the harvest.” And here comes the harvest of the earth. That’s us, folks. That’s us, those of us who are, and the dead in Christ will rise. That’s us. We’re going to be harvested. And oops, and then there is a second harvest. Ain’t that cute? And then there is the wrath of God’s wine press, where the blood went up to the horses’ bridles. I mean, here we got the wrath, judgment, it’s eternal, they’re going to be tormented, and it’s at the same time, the day of wrath, the second coming, the day of judgment, all one package.

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Revelation 14:14-16 (NKJV)

Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, “Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped.

— Revelation 14:14-16 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 18:37
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John 4:35 (NKJV)

Do you not say, ‘There are still four months and then comes the harvest’? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look at the fields, for they are already white for harvest!

— John 4:35 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 18:47 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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Revelation 14:19-20 (NKJV)

So the angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, and threw it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trampled outside the city, and blood came out of the winepress, up to the horses’ bridles, for one thousand six hundred furlongs.

— Revelation 14:19-20 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 19:19

Should we fear God? (Matthew 10:28)

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Short answer: He says this message “scared me to come to Jesus,” and that “we are to be afraid of God,” which he explains as to “respect him” and “be scared of him.” He cites “fear the one who is able to cast your soul into hell,” and says a ruler who heard Paul preach on righteousness and judgment “trembled, but he would not change his life.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 19:40 And I don’t know about you, but I’m glad this kind of message scared the hell out of me. It scared me to come to Jesus, and I found out Jesus was real. And these people that want to diminish the Bible by saying, “You’re just putting fear in people.” We are to be afraid of God. We are to respect him, and we are to be scared of him. It says, “Fear the one who is able to cast your soul into hell.” Don’t fear the one that can just hurt you physically. They can take away your job, they can take away your income and ability to buy and sell. Fear him who has the power to cast you into hell. And we’re supposed to tremble. Didn’t Herod tremble when Paul preached to him of righteousness and the judgment to come? He trembled, but he would not change his life. And the church needs this message to cause God to move people to tremble and be afraid of God.

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Matthew 10:28 (NKJV)

And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

— Matthew 10:28 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 20:04
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Acts 24:25 (NKJV)

Now as he reasoned about righteousness, self-control, and the judgment to come, Felix was afraid and answered, “Go away for now; when I have a convenient time I will call for you.”

— Acts 24:25 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 20:25

What does he say the final judgment is like? (Revelation 20–21)

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Short answer: He says everyone stands before God “on your own merit,” “weighed in the balance,” by “what you did with the word of God and how you lived your life.” He says judgment on earth is “temporary to get your attention,” while the final judgment is eternal, with “a new earth and a new heaven” for the righteous and “a lake of fire” for the unrighteous. These are his statements about eternal punishment.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 20:48 On that day, one day you got to stand before, young people, you got to stand before God. Old people, nobody can stand there with you. Not your husband, not your wife, not your, your parents. You are there on your own merit. You’re going to be weighed in the balance, and it’s not your opinions, it’s going to count. It’s what you did with the word of God and how you lived your life, and did you admit you were wrong when you made mistakes. It’s a serious thing, and this judgment is eternal. Judgment down here is temporary to get your attention, but this judgment is eternal. Young people, there is a lake of fire. There is a new earth and a new heaven where the righteous live in, and a lake of fire where the unrighteous live in for eternity. And it says they are tormented forever before the throne and before the Lamb. They see Jesus up there, they see God up there, and yet they’re down there tormented in the flame of the lake of fire, and they can look up and see us blessed and rewarded, and that’s double torment.

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Revelation 21:1 (NKJV)

Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.

— Revelation 21:1 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 21:32
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Revelation 20:14-15 (NKJV)

Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

— Revelation 20:14-15 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 21:28
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Revelation 14:10 (NKJV)

he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

— Revelation 14:10 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 21:41

Who does he say the two beasts are, and will wickedness grow? (Matthew 13:30)

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Short answer: He says people who follow Satan “are the children of Satan” and people who follow God “are the children of God,” so “the beast can simply be people who carry out Satan’s actions and will and purposes in this life.” Reading “let both grow together until the harvest,” he says wickedness will grow and so will righteousness, “so don’t get rattled by it.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 22:05 Now, I told you who the two beasts were from the book of Revelation. We know that the Bible says that people who follow Satan are the children of Satan, and the people that follow God are the children of God. And so the beast can simply be people who carry out Satan’s actions and will and purposes in this life, and the people of God are those that do the opposite. And though we may make mistakes, we have a God that forgives and keeps us going, whereas the people of wickedness just keep, what, getting more wicked. Isn’t that what it says in the parable? “Let both grow together until the harvest.” So see, wickedness is going to grow, and so is righteousness. Isn’t that good news? God promised we would grow in righteousness, and he says the wicked are going to grow in wickedness, so don’t get rattled by it. We are destined to be overcomers if we pursue God.

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1 John 3:10 (NKJV)

In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

— 1 John 3:10 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 22:16 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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Matthew 13:30 (NKJV)

Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”

— Matthew 13:30 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 22:51

Why does he say we should publicly acknowledge Jesus? (Matthew 10:32–33)

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Short answer: He says “if you don’t publicly acknowledge him, he won’t acknowledge you.” He says God has chosen “these simple, humble acts,” such as worshiping, coming to church, raising hands and telling coworkers “I’m a Jesus boy,” to bring us to himself, and that God uses that “humiliating act” “to strengthen you and develop you and mature you.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 23:21 Amen. How many will raise your hand, “Jesus, I’m on your side”? Yes. You got to pu... see, if you don’t publicly acknowledge him, he won’t acknowledge you. Ain’t that right? And these simple, humble acts is what God has chosen to bring us to himself and touch us with his supernatural power. It’s in that act of humiliation, humbling yourself to worship and pray, humbling yourself to come to church, humbling yourself to raise your hands and sing unto him, humbling yourself to say “I’m a Jesus boy” to your fellow workers. That’s what God uses, that humiliating act, to strengthen you and develop you and mature you. Hallelujah. So in the book of Revelation, who is the powerful one, the beast or the church? The church.

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Matthew 10:32-33 (NKJV)

“Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.

— Matthew 10:32-33 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 23:28 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

In Revelation, who is the powerful one, the beast or the church? (Romans 4:21)

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Short answer: He asks who the powerful one is in the book of Revelation and answers “the church.” He says God has “the power to perform what he promised,” and “we know he has the power to keep me … to mature me,” so “we patiently wait for him to do it.” He attributes the “power to perform” words to Paul’s letter to the Galatians; see the editor note.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 24:24 Hallelujah. Now, does God have power to back up what he said? Does he? Yes. That’s what Paul wrote to the Galatians. Faith in God is faith that says God has the power to perform what he promised. God, and that’s the patience of the saints. We know he has the power to do that. We know he has the power to keep me. We know he has the power to mature me. We know he has the power to overcome the principalities and powers of this life. We know that, and so we patiently wait for him to do it.

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Romans 4:21 (NKJV)

and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform.

— Romans 4:21 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 24:39

More questions this message answers

Short answers drawn only from what he says in this message, each with the moment in the video.

What does he say Zion is?

He says “Zion is the church,” citing Hebrews 12, and later “we are Zion, we are the church.”

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But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,

— Hebrews 12:22 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 0:15

What does he say is written on the 144,000?

He says it is “the name of God,” and ties it to Revelation 3:12: “He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God… I will write on him the name of my God.”

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He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.

— Revelation 3:12 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 1:16

What does he say we should do if we have not yet overcome?

He asks, “Do we give up because we haven’t quite made it yet?” and answers, “No, man, we’re on the assembly line, just hang tight.”

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What does he say the new song is?

He says “we are the ones that have the new song,” and points to the psalm’s “new song in my heart” and “psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs.”

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He has put a new song in my mouth— Praise to our God; Many will see it and fear, And will trust in the LORD.

— Psalm 40:3 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 3:01

Does he say the 144,000 must be physical virgins?

He says no: “God can’t contradict his word, so it can’t be this virgin thing,” since God said it is good for a man to leave his mother and father “and cleave to his wife.”

▶ Watch at 3:56

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Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

— Genesis 2:24 (NKJV) (quoted; reference not named in the message)▶ Hear it at 4:56

What does he say “chaste virgin” means?

He says Paul is “not talking about fleshly virginity,” but “the absence of sin, the absence of walking in darkness and disobeying God.”

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For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

— 2 Corinthians 11:2 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 5:49

What does he say the marriage of the Lamb is?

Reading Revelation 19:7, “the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife” “has made herself ready,” he says “that’s us. We’re ready, Lord. We’re mature.”

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Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.”

— Revelation 19:7 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 7:35

Who does he say the first fruits are?

He says “we are, the church,” and that the church is “an overcomer in this world in spite of the beast, in spite of Satan.”

▶ Watch at 8:39

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Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures.

— James 1:18 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 9:24

How does he say we can be without fault when we still have faults?

He says “the blood keeps cleansing us,” keeping us “faultless before Christ as long as we admit our sin and we keep going to him,” and that “if you don’t change, you’re going to burn.”

▶ Watch at 9:55

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that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.

— Ephesians 5:27 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 10:08

Why does he say Satan makes war with the remnant?

He says “he’s not interested in people that just believe and don’t follow Christ,” and “Satan makes war with those that believe, even do something about it.”

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And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

— Revelation 12:17 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 12:35

What does he say about believers who do nothing out of duty?

He says “if you don’t do things just because it’s your duty, you’re probably just a weak wimp believer,” who “haven’t gotten out of the baby crib yet.”

▶ Watch at 13:08

What does he say we preach in light of the judgment?

He says “we preach to fear God, turn from your sins, praise and worship him, follow him, pray and seek him,” because “there’s a judgment coming where you’re going to be accountable for what you say and do.”

▶ Watch at 14:32

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Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”

— Revelation 14:6-7 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 14:32

Who does he say can stand with us before God?

He says “nobody can stand there with you,” not a husband, wife or parents: “you are there on your own merit.”

▶ Watch at 20:48

About this transcript

This transcript comes from YouTube’s automatic English captions, which supply the timing and the words. Punctuation, capitalization and paragraphing were added by hand, and obvious caption errors were corrected; his wording was not rewritten. “[unclear]” marks a word or name that was not clear. Editor notes: he reads “Romans 7:14” (at about 6:36); the words he reads, “you should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead,” are Romans 7:4, shown here. At about 20:25 he says “Herod tremble when Paul preached… of righteousness and the judgment to come”; that account is Acts 24:25, where the ruler is Felix, and his words are kept. At about 24:33 he says Paul wrote “to the Galatians” that God has power to perform what he promised; the words match Romans 4:21, shown here. The captions read “140,000” once and “144,000” elsewhere; “144,000” was used. “Revelation 3:12” is cited with “very first, second one first first or second one,” which refers to his earlier teaching. In this message he makes remarks about sex, puberty and the age of adulthood (about 7:50–9:00), about Jews in Palestine (about 3:36), and names denominations (about 14:18 and 14:31); he also says people who deny a literal hell are lying. These are his own opinions, have not been checked by this site, and he does not name individuals. “[Unclear]” marks one spot (about 12:24). Where he reads Scripture aloud his wording often differs from the NKJV text shown. Select any time to jump to that moment on YouTube.

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