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Bible Morality Banned by Wimps and Born by Warriors · Part 11 · Pastor David G. Kincer, Vine Cluster Church · Uploaded November 6, 2014 · 13:28

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From the sermonAdding Love: How Did Jesus Love His Enemies? · Pastor David G. Kincer▶ 0:00

The speaker asks how Jesus applied “love your enemies.” He shows Jesus walking through a synagogue mob (Luke 4), hiding from stoners (John 8:59), denouncing Pharisees (Matthew 23), calling Herod a fox (Luke 13), and not performing for Herod (Luke 23)—arguing that pattern is for non-criminal neighbors having a bad day, while maturity starts by changing yourself toward spouse and family.

Did Jesus turn the other cheek when the synagogue tried to throw him off a cliff?

▶ Watch this part (0:36)

Short answer: He reads Luke 4: that Jesus spoke truth, they were angry unlike psychological self-esteem preachers, dragged him to throw him over a cliff—and he did not turn the cheek; passing through their midst he went his way with supernatural power, without blessing or praying for them, because they were criminals wanting to kill him.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 0:36 And we’re going to talk about adding love to our faith. We’re going to take a look at how Jesus applied these statements of loving your enemy. Did Jesus always turn the other cheek? Luke 4:28, Jesus went to the synagogue and he preached and spoke things there, and when the people in the synagogue heard what he had to say, they weren’t very happy. They were angry. They were mad. Not like your psychological self-esteem preachers of today in America. He said the truth and the truth made them mad. And they dragged him out of the city, took him to the peak of the hill to throw him over the cliff. Now here he is—they’re mad, they’re going to throw him over the cliff. Now here’s Jesus—his chance to turn the other cheek. Go, yeah, go ahead and throw me.

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Luke 4:28-30 (NKJV)

So all those in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath, and rose up and thrust Him out of the city; and they led Him to the brow of the hill on which their city was built, that they might throw Him down over the cliff. Then passing through the midst of them, He went His way.

— Luke 4:28-30 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 0:50

Did Jesus turn the other cheek when they picked up stones in John 8?

▶ Watch this part (1:43)

Short answer: He says if we gave in to every criminal nobody would be alive. In John 8:59 they took up stones; Jesus did not bless them or invite the stones—he hid himself to keep them from their criminal intent.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 1:43 He didn’t. He, passing through the midst of them, went his way. He flexed his muscles, his supernatural power, then just walked right through them. He didn’t turn the other cheek. He didn’t go the extra mile. He didn’t bless them. He didn’t speak good about them, and he didn’t pray for them. Are you there? So Jesus didn’t even apply his own sermon here. Why? Because these were criminals. They wanted to kill him. If we gave in to every criminal, nobody would be alive, and you wouldn’t have anything. John 8:59, they took up stones to stone him.

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John 8:59 (NKJV)

Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

— John 8:59 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 2:30

Why does he say the criminal realm changes “love your enemy”?

▶ Watch this part (2:39)

Short answer: He says Jesus did not keep that word there because it is out of context in the criminal realm. A family member mad at you is one thing; a criminal wanting to kill you or steal is another.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 2:39 Now okay, here’s Jesus—he’s preaching again, and again they don’t like what he’s saying. And they get mad. They throw a temper tantrum and they pick up stones—they’re going to stone him. And did he turn the other cheek? Did he bless them and say, oh you wonderful people, you’re such good Jews? Oh yeah, and I have to be patient with you, God isn’t finished with you yet, so you just go ahead and throw the stones? He didn’t do that at all. He hid himself. The Son of God, God himself, hid from them to keep them from carrying out their criminal intent.

Did Jesus always bless those who cursed him?

▶ Watch this part (3:34)

Short answer: He reads Matthew 23:15, woe to scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites who make converts twice sons of hell—calling that not a blessing and not political correctness. He says Jesus did not pray for them or do them good when spitefully insulted; he was straightening them out.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 3:34 Are you with me? Are you getting this? Hallelujah. Yeah. He didn’t keep his own word because it’s out of context where that word is. When you get into the criminal realm it changes everything. And a family member get mad at you and all—that’s one thing. A criminal wanting to kill you, steal your car, steal your house—steal—that’s another thing. Did Jesus always bless those that cursed him? Matthew 23:15, woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites. Boy, that don’t sound like political correctness to me. How about you? You hypocrites, you phonies, you say one thing and you do another. You travel land and sea to make one proselyte, one convert, and you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are. In other words, you’re going to hell and everybody following you is going to hell too.

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Matthew 23:15 (NKJV)

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

— Matthew 23:15 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 3:40

What did Jesus call the Pharisees in Matthew 23:33?

▶ Watch this part (4:41)

Short answer: He reads “you serpents, you generation of vipers”—not a garter snake but a cobra, poisonous and destructive—and “how can you escape the condemnation of hell?” He asks when radio or TV preachers last said that.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 4:41 Now is that a blessing? You know why. Did he pray for them? No, he didn’t pray for them. Are you there? Did he do good things because they spitefully insulted him and all that? No, he didn’t do anything. He’s trying to straighten them out. Are you with me, church? Matthew 23:33, you serpents—here he is—you serpents. He’s down there preaching again. You serpents, you generation of vipers. Not just a garter snake—you are a cobra. You’re poisonous. You’re destructive. How can you escape the condemnation of hell? You’re going to hell. When’s the last time you hear the preacher on radio or TV say that statement?

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Matthew 23:33 (NKJV)

Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?

— Matthew 23:33 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 4:50

What did Jesus say when told Herod wanted to kill him?

▶ Watch this part (5:38)

Short answer: He says Jesus did not bless or pray forgiveness for Herod; he said go tell that fox he would preach and do miracles and be glorified—nobody had power to kill him; he would lay down his life.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 5:38 No, we’re so brainwashed into being spiritually, politically correct. We don’t want to offend anybody. Oh yeah, let them die and go to hell. They’re really offended there for eternity, but don’t dare offend them now. God. Luke 13:31, they come and said Herod the governor, the king, the politician, the leader, the civil leader, wants to kill you. Did he bless Herod? Oh, blessed Herod? Oh. Did he pray for Herod? Oh God, forgive him for he doesn’t know what he does. Are you there? No, he didn’t. He said, you go tell that fox. That wasn’t a good word.

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Luke 13:31-32 (NKJV)

On that very day some Pharisees came, saying to Him, “Get out and depart from here, for Herod wants to kill You.” And He said to them, “Go, tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.’

— Luke 13:31-32 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 5:50

Who is the “love your enemy” pattern for, according to the sermon?

▶ Watch this part (6:31)

Short answer: He says Jesus did not follow that pattern with criminals because it is for those who are not criminals—just having a bad day, season, or year—and you are still supposed to respond right to them.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 6:31 That wasn’t a good word at all. That tomorrow I’m going to preach, second day I’m going to preach and do miracles, and the third day I’m going to be glorified, and you’re going to see it, and there’s nothing you can do about it, Herod. I’m going to do it. You ain’t killing me. I’m laying down my life. Nobody has power to kill me. Are you with me? Jesus did not follow that love-your-enemy pattern. Why? Because it is a pattern for those who are not criminals—they’re just having a bad day. In fact, some of us are having a bad season—it’s more than a day—and some of us are having a bad year. I mean this thing has dragged out. And you are supposed to respond right.

Did Jesus always give or perform for those who asked, like Herod?

▶ Watch this part (7:23)

Short answer: He reads Luke 23:8—Herod hoped for a miracle, a show. Jesus answered him nothing; John the Baptist had already told Herod it was unlawful to have Herodias. He critiques Christians who run to healing ministries looking for a show.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 7:23 Hallelujah. Now folks, that was good stuff. Now. Did Jesus always give to those that ask? I said, anybody ask you, just give it away, give it away. Did he always pray for those who spitefully used him? Luke 23:8, Herod hoped to see some miracle done by Jesus. You know, here’s Jesus coming into the throne room and Herod’s—oh man, he wants to see a miracle. He heard all these miracles. He wanted to kill Jesus, but now Jesus is here—he wants to see a miracle. He wants a show. He wants a performance. That’s what a lot of Christians are into that run to the quote-unquote healing ministries. They’re looking for a show. And they put on one themselves even if God isn’t healing, and it’s really disgusting.

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Luke 23:8-9 (NKJV)

Now when Herod saw Jesus, he was exceedingly glad; for he had desired for a long time to see Him, because he had heard many things about Him, and he hoped to see some miracle done by Him. Then he questioned Him with many words, but He answered him nothing.

— Luke 23:8-9 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 7:30

Did Jesus give the ointment money to the poor when Judas asked?

▶ Watch this part (8:18)

Short answer: He cites John 12:5—Judas wanted the ointment sold for the poor—and says Jesus did not. He claims there is no record of Jesus giving to the poor; his program was saving the soul, with widows and orphans a peripheral, qualified side issue—not America’s big “help the poor” social-good focus.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 8:18 They act like they’re healed. They act like something supernatural is going on when it’s not. And what did Jesus do? He answered Herod nothing. He didn’t say one word. He didn’t pray for Herod. He didn’t even give him one word. He zipped his lip and just looked at him. Because John the Baptist had already given Herod the word that he needed to hear: it’s not lawful for you to have Herodias, your brother’s wife. So Jesus had nothing else to say because Herod hadn’t corrected that message yet—he hadn’t responded to that message. John 12:5, this woman comes in and anoints Jesus’ feet with ointment. Judas and some other ones there go, hey, don’t do that—sell that ointment and give it to the poor.

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John 12:4-8 (NKJV)

But one of His disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, who would betray Him, said, “Why was this fragrant oil not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?” This he said, not that he cared for the poor, but because he was a thief, and had the money box; and he used to take what was put in it. But Jesus said, “Let her alone; she has kept this for the day of My burial. For the poor you have with you always, but Me you do not have always.”

— John 12:4-8 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 8:50

Whom does he say Jesus prayed for instead of politicians and addicts?

▶ Watch this part (9:11)

Short answer: He says you never hear Jesus praying for the rich, politicians, or people in authority, nor for the drug addict and alcoholic in that sense—he prayed for his apostles and disciples, focused on building the church; the rich must convert and come in like everyone else.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 9:11 Did he do that? No. He didn’t give to those that asked him. There is no record of Jesus giving anything to the poor. Are you guys aware of that in the Bible? He wasn’t on a help-the-poor program. He was on a saving-the-soul program. Which tells us the priority of the church is to save the soul and get them to grow. And a peripheral section of it is to help those widows and orphans that are in need, if they qualify. That’s a real small side issue. What is the big issue in America? Help the poor, do some kind of social good thing, and you’re a great Christian. No. Jesus kept the focus on saving the soul and them to grow. Wow, that’s good.

Who is “the enemy” in his conclusion about love?

▶ Watch this part (10:19)

Short answer: He says the enemy here is your neighbor, your brother, your spouse—people close enough to have a bad day, week, month, or year. You patiently turn the cheek while waiting for God to change them, when God is waiting for you to change first.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 10:19 And we got Christians doing good deeds and they’re not growing. And we got people receiving the good deeds and they’re not getting their souls saved. You never hear him praying for the rich or for the politicians or people in authority. You never hear him praying for them. But you hear him praying for his apostles, his disciples. Amen. Yes. Wow. He’s focused on the church and building the church and changing people’s lives is what he’s focused on. And if the rich want to be a part of it, they got to convert and come in like everybody else. Yeah. He didn’t pray for the drug addict and the alcoholic. He prayed for his disciples.

Does changing a spouse or child start with you?

▶ Watch this part (11:13)

Short answer: He says if you want them to love you and treat you right, love them and treat them right—it starts with you, your character and heart—not a magic prayer while you are not working. That is maturity; America needs to hear it.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 11:13 Hallelujah. Conclusion: the enemy here is your neighbor, your brother. Nobody’s closer to you than your brother. Nobody’s closer to you than your spouse. How many know your spouse can have a bad day? In fact, they may have a bad week, a bad month, and a bad year, and you’re patiently turning the other cheek, going the extra mile, waiting for God to change them—when God’s waiting for you to change to change them. Did you hear that one? Yeah. You want somebody changed—change yourself first. Start with yourself. That’s the Bible way. Well otherwise you’re falling into I’m going to do something so I can get something back.

Is doing good to get something back maturity?

▶ Watch this part (12:10)

Short answer: He says otherwise you fall into doing something to get something back, and that is not maturity. You do what you need to do because you need to do it.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 12:10 You see. And that’s not maturity. Hallelujah. You do something because you need to do it. If you want your spouse or your children or your parents to love you—love them. You want them to treat you right—treat them right. It starts with you. Wow, that’s good stuff. Hallelujah. We want a magic prayer: Lord, change my husband, change my wife, change my child. It ain’t working. Why? Because you ain’t working. It starts with you—your character, your heart. Hallelujah. And America needs to hear this. You out there in America, you need to hear this stuff. So. You.

More questions this message answers

Short answers drawn only from what he says in this message, each with the moment in the video.

What happened when Jesus preached in the synagogue in Luke 4?

He says they were angry at the truth, dragged him to throw him off a cliff, and he walked through their midst rather than turning the other cheek.

▶ Watch at 0:36

Scripture (NKJV)

So all those in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath, and rose up and thrust Him out of the city; and they led Him to the brow of the hill on which their city was built, that they might throw Him down over the cliff. Then passing through the midst of them, He went His way.

— Luke 4:28-30 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 0:50

Why does he say Jesus did not apply his own “love enemy” sermon there?

Because they were criminals who wanted to kill him; giving in to every criminal would leave nobody alive.

▶ Watch at 1:43

What does “twice as much a son of hell” mean in this sermon?

He says the Pharisees travel to make one convert and make him twice a son of hell—they are going to hell and so are their followers.

▶ Watch at 3:34

Scripture (NKJV)

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

— Matthew 23:15 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 3:40

What does he say about not wanting to offend people?

He says we are brainwashed into spiritual political correctness—don’t offend them now, even if they die and go to hell offended for eternity.

▶ Watch at 4:41

Was “tell that fox” a blessing on Herod?

He says it was not a good word at all; Jesus was not blessing or praying for Herod.

▶ Watch at 5:38

Scripture (NKJV)

On that very day some Pharisees came, saying to Him, “Get out and depart from here, for Herod wants to kill You.” And He said to them, “Go, tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.’

— Luke 13:31-32 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 5:50

Why did Jesus say nothing to Herod at the trial spectacle?

Because John the Baptist had already given Herod the word he needed—it is not lawful for you to have your brother’s wife—and Herod had not responded.

▶ Watch at 7:23

Scripture (NKJV)

Now when Herod saw Jesus, he was exceedingly glad; for he had desired for a long time to see Him, because he had heard many things about Him, and he hoped to see some miracle done by Him. Then he questioned Him with many words, but He answered him nothing.

— Luke 23:8-9 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 7:30

What does he criticize about some healing ministries?

He says a lot of Christians run to quote-unquote healing ministries looking for a show and put one on even if God is not healing—which he calls disgusting.

▶ Watch at 7:23

What does he say is the church’s priority versus helping the poor?

He says Jesus kept the focus on saving the soul and growth; helping widows and orphans who qualify is a small peripheral issue, not the big American social-good measure of being a great Christian.

▶ Watch at 8:18

Scripture (NKJV)

But one of His disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, who would betray Him, said, “Why was this fragrant oil not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?” This he said, not that he cared for the poor, but because he was a thief, and had the money box; and he used to take what was put in it. But Jesus said, “Let her alone; she has kept this for the day of My burial. For the poor you have with you always, but Me you do not have always.”

— John 12:4-8 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 8:50

How should you treat a spouse having a bad year?

He says patiently turn the other cheek and go the extra mile, but understand God is waiting for you to change in order to change them.

▶ Watch at 10:19

What is “the Bible way” to get someone else to change?

He says start with yourself—change yourself first; wanting a magic prayer while you are not working will not work.

▶ Watch at 11:13

About this transcript

This transcript comes from YouTube’s automatic English captions, which supply the timing and the words. Punctuation, capitalization and paragraphing were added by hand, and obvious caption errors were corrected; his wording was not rewritten. “[unclear]” marks a word or name that was not clear. Caption fixes: “dragged” for “drug,” “Herod/Herodias” for garbled “harry/harriet/heart be,” “them” for “him” where context is plural attackers. Sensitive: sharp language toward Pharisees/Hell; critique of healing-ministry showmanship; claim Jesus has no record of giving to the poor (priority is saving souls). Speaker not named in recording—confirm Kincer. Select any time to jump to that moment on YouTube.

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