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From the sermon2012 Best Church Service Two 0401 · Pastor David G. Kincer▶ 0:00

In this message Pastor David G. Kincer describes churches that pursued the presence of God, from a country Methodist church to Baptist churches in Mexico and Ghana, and says the name on the outside does not matter. He then explains what he says 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 and 1 Timothy 2:12 mean for women in the church, and ends with what 1 Corinthians 14 says about unbelievers, the Holy Ghost, and orderly use of the gifts.

What does the testimony of Jesus have to do with the church coming together?

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Short answer: He asks what Revelation says about the testimony of Jesus and answers that “the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” He says “when the church comes together, the Holy Ghost wants to do things, but to do that we got to have understanding and we got to be serious about it.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 0:00 These utterance gifts. What does it say in Revelation about the testimony of Jesus? The proof of Jesus, the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Wow. And see, this is what I’m telling you: when the church comes together, the Holy Ghost wants to do things, but to do that we got to have understanding and we got to be serious about it, because we’re the ones that He’s going to use.

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Revelation 19:10 (NKJV)

And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

— Revelation 19:10 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 0:04 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

How does he describe churches that pursue the presence of God?

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Short answer: He says in spirit-filled churches “they pursued the Holy Ghost, they pursued the presence of Jesus, and God would come.” He tells of a country Methodist church where he felt “the power of His presence,” a congregation “in unity, worshiping, praising God,” and a message that was alive, and notes the Bible says God inhabits the praises of His people.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 0:39 And that’s why I told you at 90% of the time, maybe less, when I walk into a spirit-filled church, they had a purpose to meet with God, the Holy Ghost to come, and you could feel the presence of God. Every once in a while in other churches they would get the presence of God, because God just comes sovereignly and in spite of themselves, but in the spirit-filled churches they pursued the Holy Ghost, they pursued the presence of Jesus, and God would come. See, they would pray, they would worship, and, and God would come.

▶ 1:15 I remember visiting my parents in Alabama, and I usually went to a country church, and one summer when I was there I went to a country church. It was a Methodist church, and I walked in and you could feel the power of His presence just when I walked in. And they were worshiping, this whole congregation was just in unity, worshiping, praising God, and the Bible says He inhabits what? The praises of His people. They knew that when that guy preached the message, it was alive. I mean, that, that message was alive, and these are country bumpkins.

Scripture in this part

Scripture (NKJV)

Psalm 22:3 (NKJV)

But You are holy, Enthroned in the praises of Israel.

— Psalm 22:3 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 1:42 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

What does he say about having teaching without power? (Luke 5:17, 1 Corinthians 8:1)

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Short answer: He says the power of His presence “was there to heal,” and he told his group it was strange “that we have all this teaching and no performance” while a country church had “the performance without the teaching.” He says “Knowledge can make you proud,” and “you possess because you have it, and these people had it.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 1:56 And the thing that I noticed, that the power of His presence was there, there to heal. How many of you know in Luke it says the power of His presence was there to heal? And I go, wow. I came back and I talked to the leaderships of our group, and I go, it’s, it’s strange to me that we have all this teaching and no performance, and I walk into this country bumpkin church and they have the performance without the teaching. Are you there? How many you know knowledge puffs up. Knowledge can make you proud, and you can think you possess because you have knowledge, and you don’t, because you have knowledge. You possess because you have it, and these people had it.

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Luke 5:17 (NKJV)

Now it happened on a certain day, as He was teaching, that there were Pharisees and teachers of the law sitting by, who had come out of every town of Galilee, Judea, and Jerusalem. And the power of the Lord was present to heal them.

— Luke 5:17 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 2:00 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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1 Corinthians 8:1 (NKJV)

Now concerning things offered to idols: We know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies.

— 1 Corinthians 8:1 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 2:33 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

What did he see in the Baptist churches in Mexico and Ghana?

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Short answer: He tells of a Baptist church outside Mexico City that “didn’t waste any time,” sang “Majesty,” and “went down on their knees,” until “the presence of God just flooded that place.” In Ghana he says he told another Baptist church, “you got Baptist on the outside of your church and there’s nothing Baptist about you,” because “the presence of God was in the worship.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 2:50 I was in a Baptist church outside Mexico City. When I go to third world countries, I preach in all kinds of denominations, and also, uh, here. And I walk into this Baptist church on the outskirts of Mexico City, and they started that service and they didn’t waste any time.

▶ 3:11 Bam, right in. They, they sang “Majesty.” That, that time Baptists didn’t sing choruses, they only sing hymns, but not this guy, this church sing “Majesty,” and they went down on their knees, and the presence of God just flooded that place. I was over in Ghana, and also there I speak in all kinds of denominations. I go into another Baptist church, and when I got done, I scratched my head, you know, I said, you know, you guys, you got Baptist on the outside of your church and there’s nothing Baptist about you. The presence of God was in the worship. When they gave announcements, the power of God was there. They were so sincere and so genuine that everything they did, the presence of God just flooded that place. Are you with me?

Does the name on the church matter, and what happened in Brazil?

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Short answer: He says “it’s not the name on the outside, it’s what you are on the inside.” He tells of a spirit-filled church in Brazil that was “really messed up in their doctrine,” where he preached three times a day for two weeks, speaking “by prophecy,” “by revelation,” and “by doctrine.” He says “when people seek Him, they find Him, and when they find Him, He expresses Himself.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 4:14 Hallelujah. See, it’s not the name on the outside, it’s what you are on the inside. And I’m sharing these things with you. When I went to [unclear], to Brazil, the capital of Brazil, there was a church there that was a spirit-filled church, and they were really messed up in their doctrine. I mean, ridiculous doctrine. And I spent two weeks there preaching three times a day, straightening out their doctrine. And you know, when we got, they got it, they got it, they would look at me and say, “Man, you’re a young man, and yet you, you know this Bible.” Well, yeah. I, I spent time, I got serious with the Bible, and I could speak by prophecy, I could speak by revelation, and I could speak by doctrine. I had an advantage. I didn’t have to know everything when I got up there.

▶ 5:17 Are you, are you there? I was getting truth while they were getting truth. That’s the utterance of revelation. God takes the cover off while you’re talking. Oh man, that’s good, huh? You see, and I could speak by prophecy, so I didn’t have to have a lot of notes and stuff, because I had all these sources that the Spirit could use me in. Are you there? Because I had understanding and because I pursued them. Are you there, church? That church grew, as I told you before, in the year 2000 they had 1,300 churches. They just took off once they got understanding. They just took, took off. Hallelujah. This are just a few examples I could give you. A lot of examples here in America and everywhere else, when people seek Him, they find Him, and when they find Him, He expresses Himself, and He knows, God knows no denominational, He doesn’t have any.

What does he say “let your women keep silent in the churches” means? (1 Corinthians 14:34-35)

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Short answer: He reads the verse and says “Now, the law does not say women to be silent. The law says women should be under the rulership of their husband.” He says “it’s not women in general, it’s the husband-wife relationship,” that “the husband is directly under Christ and the woman is under her husband,” and “if I’m not following Christ, she’s got no reason to follow me.” He says people use the verse to “tell women to sit down and shut up,” and he says that is not what Paul is saying.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 6:28 Now we’re going to hit the woman thing again. All right. “Let your women, your wives, keep silent in the churches, for it’s not permitted unto them to speak, but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.” Now, the law does not say women to be silent. The law says women should be under the rulership of their husband. Nowhere in the Bible will you find the Bible saying women, when they come to the house of God, the temple of God, the church of God, that they got to be silent. But you will find that they are not to usurp authority over their husband. “If they will learn anything, let them ask their” what? Husband.

▶ 7:18 See, it’s not women in general, it’s the husband-wife relationship that Paul stress back in 1 Corinthians chapter 11, just a few chapters back, that the husband is directly under Christ and the woman is under her husband, and the woman cannot follow her husband if her husband isn’t following Christ. The only thing that gives us authority to say, “Come on, woman, let’s do it this way,” is we’re doing it His way. We can’t, well, “Submit, woman, the Bible says submit.” Now, submit, no, will you, hon, follow me as I follow Christ? See, I have a responsibility to be under the authority of Christ, and if I’m not following Christ, she’s got no reason to follow me. That’s Bible. And people take this and tell women to sit down and shut up, and I’m going to show you that it’s not true, that this isn’t what Paul is saying at all.

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Scripture (NKJV)

1 Corinthians 14:34-35 (NKJV)

Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.

— 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 6:35 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

What does he say 1 Timothy 2:12 means by “usurp authority”?

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Short answer: Reading “I permit not a woman to teach,” “nor to usurp authority,” he says that means to “dominate the man,” and that Paul is speaking against control and manipulation, saying “Paul is saying that is wrong.” He says men are wrong when they give in to manipulation “because they should be following Christ.” He says a wife who disagrees should “talk to him at home” and not use church or prayer meetings to “telegraph everything about their husband.” His remarks about how wives behave are his own generalizations.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 8:23 All right, in 1 Timothy 2:12 he says, “I permit not a woman to teach,” a wife again, “nor to usurp authority,” see, dominate the man. How many know women can be dominators? Yeah. “You don’t do it my way, you ain’t getting any tonight.” That’s control. “You don’t do it my way, then nuts on you.” And they’ll yak at you for two hours, yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak, till they just wear you out. And Paul is saying that is wrong. And boy, they’re good at crying. “You’re not going to get me that Thunderbird car.” I mean, they’re good at manipulation, and Paul says it’s wrong, and when men give into the manipulation, they are wrong, because they should be following Christ. Can I hear an amen? A lot of you women have a big grin out there like, “I’m guilty.”

▶ 9:48 See, but to be in silence, and you know there’s a lot of, there’s a lot of expressions of this. Some people say, well, historically the church had the women sitting on one side and husbands sitting on the other, and so, you know, if the woman didn’t understand something, she would yell over at the husband, “What the world is he talking about, Ned?” I mean, no, that’s not keeping the service decently in order, but I can’t really find that in my research.

▶ 10:13 I don’t care if she’s sitting by him. I mean, Becky can try to control my life just two inches away. She doesn’t need a 20 feet. And women like to show they’re more spiritually superior. No, it’s true, it’s true, especially if the man works all day, you know, he works 12 hours a day and he comes home and she’s in prayer meetings during the day and women’s meetings over here, and that man, and the boy, the husband comes in and, “Oh, man, you carnal guy.” And Paul is saying this should not be. That’s what he’s saying. And women should not be doing anything in the church to show that they’re a usurp authority over the man or acting like they know more than the husband and so forth. Paul is saying this is the kind of order you need in the church. And you know, if you got something against your husband or you disagree with him, then talk to him at home. Don’t use the church to speak out your hobby horse belief or whatever.

▶ 11:42 I’ve heard women in prayer meetings telegraph everything about their husband. “Oh, my husband, well, you know, he’s lazy, and you know he a paying the bills.” And so the rest of us, in the next time we seen that man, we, “Oh, jeez.” It’s true. Am I right, Barnes? Yeah. And I would get up and I’d say, “Listen, prayer time isn’t a time to telegraph everybody’s problems.” Can I hear an amen? And all that does is turn the man off.

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1 Timothy 2:12 (NKJV)

And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.

— 1 Timothy 2:12 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 8:24

What does he say about Anna the prophetess? (Luke 2:36)

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Short answer: He says Anna “departed not from the temple,” and asks, “How do you prophesy silently?” He says she served “with fastings and prayer night and day,” “spoke of Jesus to all of them,” and “no one was shutting her up.” He adds that “this is a Jewish woman,” so “don’t give me this stuff about Jews not letting women talk.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 12:27 Anyway, now more proof. Anna, a prophetess, was of great age in Luke 2:36, and departed not from the temple. Departed not from what? Where the people gathered to worship and pray and serve the Lord. She departed not from the temple, and she was a what? Prophet. She [unclear] prophesying. How do you prophesy silently? I haven’t figured that one out yet. [unclear]. You see, it’s not in the Scriptures I’m showing you. It’s not in the Scriptures, folks. She was a prophetess, she was in the temple, she served God with fastings and prayer night and day. That’s more than most of us men do. We can’t even get in one day a year of a little long night-and-day prayer, praying every day, good Lord. And she gave thanks to the Lord and spoke of Jesus to all of them.

▶ 13:25 How you know there’s nothing wrong with that? When you prophesy about Jesus, Jesus Christ, it’s good. You prophesy about the cross, you prophesy about the gospel, the word of God, it’s good. No one was shutting her up, and this is a Jewish woman. Are you there? So don’t give me this stuff about Jews not letting women talk. She’s talking.

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Scripture (NKJV)

Luke 2:36-38 (NKJV)

Now there was one, Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was of a great age, and had lived with a husband seven years from her virginity; and this woman was a widow of about eighty-four years, who did not depart from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day. And coming in that instant she gave thanks to the Lord, and spoke of Him to all those who looked for redemption in Jerusalem.

— Luke 2:36-38 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 12:32

Which women does he list as prophesying? (Exodus, Judges 4:4, 2 Kings 22:14, Acts)

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Short answer: He lists Miriam and Deborah as prophets, another woman called a prophetess in 2 Kings 22:14 (her name is [unclear] in the captions), the passage “Your sons and your daughters shall” prophesy, and four virgin daughters who prophesied. The reference numbers are as he gave them; see the editor note.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 13:54 Then you got Exodus 20 and Judges 44, Miriam and Deborah were prophets. [unclear] was a prophetess in 2 Kings 22:14. Acts 21:17, “Your sons and your daughters shall” what? Prophesy. Acts 219, Stephen had four virgin daughters which did what? Prophesy.

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Exodus 15:20 (NKJV)

Then Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took the timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.

— Exodus 15:20 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 13:54
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Judges 4:4 (NKJV)

Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, was judging Israel at that time.

— Judges 4:4 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 13:55
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2 Kings 22:14 (NKJV)

So Hilkiah the priest, Ahikam, Achbor, Shaphan, and Asaiah went to Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe. (She dwelt in Jerusalem in the Second Quarter.) And they spoke with her.

— 2 Kings 22:14 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 14:00
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Acts 2:17-18 (NKJV)

‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams. And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy.

— Acts 2:17-18 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 14:02
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Acts 21:9 (NKJV)

Now this man had four virgin daughters who prophesied.

— Acts 21:9 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 14:07

How does he explain Genesis 3:16 and 1 Corinthians 11:3?

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Short answer: He reads Genesis 3:16, “Your desire shall be to your husband, and he shall rule over you,” and says “the woman works with that husband. She doesn’t drive him nuts, and she doesn’t try to be the kingpin of the home.” He says “a good woman knows how to make her man look good” because men “miss the mark.” Reading 1 Corinthians 11:3, he says women are free to “open your mouth and edify the body of Christ.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 14:15 Genesis 3:16, “Your desire shall be to your husband, and he shall rule over you.” That’s what the law says, that the woman works with that husband. She doesn’t drive him nuts, and she doesn’t try to be the kingpin of the home and all that. In fact, a good woman knows how to make her man look good, ‘cause a lot of us men, we miss the mark, we need to be made look good. Yeah, we need help. We don’t follow Christ like we’re supposed to. Second, 1 Corinthians 11:3, “the head of the man is Christ, and the head of the woman is the man.” He’s just keeping the continuity of the Scriptures, that’s all. Can I hear an amen? So now you women don’t have any excuse. Now you can pray and you can sing, you know, you can open your mouth and edify the body of Christ. Can I hear an amen? Hallelujah.

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Genesis 3:16 (NKJV)

To the woman He said: “I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; In pain you shall bring forth children; Your desire shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you.”

— Genesis 3:16 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 14:15
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1 Corinthians 11:3 (NKJV)

But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

— 1 Corinthians 11:3 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 14:53

What happens when unbelievers come in and the Holy Ghost is involved? (1 Corinthians 14:24-25)

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Short answer: He says unbelievers fall on their face and worship, and that this happens “not because we got eloquent speakers, not because we got great musicians,” but “because the Holy Ghost is involved.” He says the Holy Ghost “knows how to convict the person of sin,” and that it is a better testimony when the unbeliever can “touch God and hear His word.” He says “Not some church program, not divorce recovery, the Holy Ghost changes them.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 15:17 The results and accomplishments. Okay, “unbelievers and unlearned come in,” when you’re gathered together, “they are convinced and judged of all, their heart secrets are made plain,” revealed, “and so falling down on their face, they worship God and report that God is in you of a truth.” You see, this happens not because we got eloquent speakers, not because we got great musicians. This happens because the Holy Ghost is involved.

▶ 15:46 And the Holy Ghost, Jesus said, knows how to convict the person of sin, knows how to convict the person of righteousness, knows how to convict a person of the judgment to come, and knows how to show them things to come and knows how to show them the word of God. And when a spirit does things and they get understanding, they change their heart and they worship and say, “God’s in your midst.” And how, you know, that’s a better testimony than we saying God’s in our midst, when the unbeliever and the unlearned can come in and touch God and hear His word, and the Holy Ghost can change them. Not some church program, not divorce recovery, the Holy Ghost changes them. Are you there?

Scripture in this part

Scripture (NKJV)

1 Corinthians 14:24-25 (NKJV)

But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an uninformed person comes in, he is convinced by all, he is convicted by all. And thus the secrets of his heart are revealed; and so, falling down on his face, he will worship God and report that God is truly among you.

— 1 Corinthians 14:24-25 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 15:22

Why does he say many church services in America lack power? (1 Corinthians 14:3, 26)

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Short answer: He says “church services in America don’t have a lot of power in them, in a large percentage of the churches,” because the manifestations were pushed out. Reading 1 Corinthians 14:26, he says “all attending are built up, encouraged, and comforted.” He says “we’re leaning on teachers and, and good speakers today,” when we should be what? “Pursuing the manifestations of the Spirit that comes from the whole body of Christ.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 16:38 But see, we got the Holy Ghost and these manifestations just pushed right out of the church, and so church services in America don’t have a lot of power in them, in a large percentage of the churches. 1 Corinthians 14:3 and verse 26, all attending are built up, encouraged, and comforted. All learn and understand what the Spirit is saying to the text, not what the preacher is saying. How many you know the Holy Ghost knows how to enlighten you to some part of the message or some part of a prophecy, and another guy gets something enlightened from a different part of the same message? Yes. See, that’s the Holy Ghost moving. And we’re leaning on teachers and, and good speakers today, when we should be what? Pursuing the manifestations of the Spirit that comes from the whole body of Christ. Hallelujah.

Scripture in this part

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1 Corinthians 14:3 (NKJV)

But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men.

— 1 Corinthians 14:3 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 16:56
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1 Corinthians 14:26 (NKJV)

How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.

— 1 Corinthians 14:26 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 16:58

What does he say about miracles without theatrics? (1 Corinthians 14:22)

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Short answer: Reading “Tongues are for a sign to unbelievers,” he says so are miracles, and that God can do things “without theatrics, without emotional nonsense.” He tells of Africa, where people were healed “just during the service,” and says “when we don’t have the power, we fake it.” He says he doubted at first, and it happened because “they were pursuing God.” These are his accounts and have not been verified here.

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 17:44 1 Corinthians 14:22, “Tongues are for a sign to unbelievers,” and, as I said earlier, so are miracles. You get into this thing, you get into the power of His presence, and it’s amazing what God can do without theatrics, without emotional nonsense. He can just do things. When I was in Africa especially, people would get healed. I mean, tremendous things, just during the service, without any camera and the guy, [unclear], “Man, in the name of Jesus!” You know, when we don’t have the power, we fake it. And these people would get healed, just tremendous things would happen in the church service. I told you I doubted it at first. I challenged it. I was an unbeliever. I’m Americanized, it ain’t done that way. God just comes and touches people. I didn’t get to pray for them. My, the Holy Ghost just did it. People come up for salvation, people come up with it’s just amazing. And I’m not talking about one service, I’m talking about steadily, service after service in different churches, God just moved. Why? Because they were pursuing God. Hallelujah.

Scripture in this part

Scripture (NKJV)

1 Corinthians 14:22 (NKJV)

Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe.

— 1 Corinthians 14:22 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 17:44

How should prophecy and songs be used, and can we have both heart and knowledge?

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Short answer: He says prophecy and tongues are “done one at the most three,” and for all of us who sing and pray, “it’s got to encourage, it’s got to comfort, it’s got to construct the person’s life, not destruct.” Of his early days he says “we had a heart but not according to knowledge,” and he answers “Yes, we can have both worlds.”

From the sermonTranscript of this part · Pastor David G. Kincer

▶ 19:23 Wouldn’t we like to be a church like that? Yes. Okay, there’s the utterance gifts, prophecy in tongues, done one at the most three, all right, and, uh, all of us can sing, all of us can pray, all of us can sing and give a song, but it’s got to encourage, it’s got to comfort, it’s got to construct the person’s life, not destruct. You know, in my young believer days I heard the prophecy of [unclear] so many times. You know, he named his child [unclear] because the glory was departed from Israel. Well, that’s really edifying. I mean, that really makes you want to come to church, you know what I mean? I couldn’t wait to get to the next service. “Glory is not here, God’s not around.” Hallelujah. Boy, I go, you know, and I had to wait through all this stuff, I go, what’s going on? You see, because we didn’t have understanding, we had a heart but not according to knowledge, and we created a lot of problems while we also had a lot of results. But we can have both worlds, can’t we, church? Yes, we can have both worlds.

Scripture in this part

Scripture (NKJV)

1 Corinthians 14:27 (NKJV)

If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret.

— 1 Corinthians 14:27 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 19:38 (quoted; reference not named in the message)
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Romans 10:2 (NKJV)

For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.

— Romans 10:2 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 20:43 (quoted; reference not named in the message)

More questions this message answers

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What does he say the testimony of Jesus is?

He says “the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

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Scripture (NKJV)

And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

— Revelation 19:10 (NKJV) (quoted; reference not named in the message)▶ Hear it at 0:04

How does he say spirit-filled churches are different?

He says “in the spirit-filled churches they pursued the Holy Ghost, they pursued the presence of Jesus, and God would come,” and that in other churches God sometimes comes “sovereignly and in spite of themselves.”

▶ Watch at 0:39

Why does he say knowledge can be a problem?

He says “knowledge puffs up. Knowledge can make you proud, and you can think you possess because you have knowledge, and you don’t.”

▶ Watch at 1:56

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Now concerning things offered to idols: We know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies.

— 1 Corinthians 8:1 (NKJV) (quoted; reference not named in the message)▶ Hear it at 2:33

Does he say the church’s name matters?

No. He says “it’s not the name on the outside, it’s what you are on the inside,” and he preaches “in all kinds of denominations.”

▶ Watch at 4:14

What does he mean by “the utterance of revelation”?

He says it is when “God takes the cover off while you’re talking,” and he was “getting truth while they were getting truth.”

▶ Watch at 5:17

Does he say the law tells women to be silent?

No. He says “the law does not say women to be silent. The law says women should be under the rulership of their husband.”

▶ Watch at 6:28

Scripture (NKJV)

Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.

— 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 (NKJV) (quoted; reference not named in the message)▶ Hear it at 6:35

What does he say about a wife following her husband?

He says “the woman cannot follow her husband if her husband isn’t following Christ,” and that the husband says “follow me as I follow Christ.”

▶ Watch at 7:18

What does he say it means to “usurp authority”?

He says it means to “dominate the man,” and that Paul says that kind of control and manipulation is wrong.

▶ Watch at 8:23

Scripture (NKJV)

And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.

— 1 Timothy 2:12 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 8:24

What does he say about prophesying about Jesus?

He says “When you prophesy about Jesus, Jesus Christ, it’s good. You prophesy about the cross, you prophesy about the gospel, the word of God, it’s good.”

▶ Watch at 13:25

What does he say convicts and changes unbelievers?

He says the Holy Ghost “knows how to convict the person of sin,” and “Not some church program, not divorce recovery, the Holy Ghost changes them.”

▶ Watch at 15:17

Scripture (NKJV)

But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an uninformed person comes in, he is convinced by all, he is convicted by all. And thus the secrets of his heart are revealed; and so, falling down on his face, he will worship God and report that God is truly among you.

— 1 Corinthians 14:24-25 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 15:22

What does he say happens when all attend and the Spirit is moving?

He says “all attending are built up, encouraged, and comforted. All learn and understand what the Spirit is saying.”

▶ Watch at 16:38

Scripture (NKJV)

How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.

— 1 Corinthians 14:26 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 16:58

Does he say God needs theatrics?

No. He says God can do things “without theatrics, without emotional nonsense.”

▶ Watch at 17:44

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Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe.

— 1 Corinthians 14:22 (NKJV)▶ Hear it at 17:44

How many does he say may speak with prophecy and tongues in a meeting?

He says “done one at the most three.”

▶ Watch at 19:23

Scripture (NKJV)

If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret.

— 1 Corinthians 14:27 (NKJV) (quoted; reference not named in the message)▶ Hear it at 19:38

About this transcript

This transcript comes from YouTube’s automatic English captions, which supply the timing and the words. Punctuation, capitalization and paragraphing were added by hand, and obvious caption errors were corrected; his wording was not rewritten. “[unclear]” marks a word or name that was not clear. Editor note: the captions garble several words; the following are shown as [unclear] and not guessed: a place name in Brazil at about 4:14, parts of the Anna passage and the name of the prophetess in 2 Kings 22:14 (about 12:27 to 13:54), a word at about 17:44, and a prophet’s name at about 19:23. The captions read “assur” and “serpent” for Paul’s word “usurp”; it is shown as “usurp.” He gives “Exodus 20” (Miriam is named a prophetess in Exodus 15:20), “Judges 44” (Judges 4:4), “Acts 21:17” (the words “your sons and your daughters shall prophesy” are Acts 2:17), and “Acts 219” with “Stephen had four virgin daughters” (the four virgin daughters who prophesied are Philip’s, Acts 21:9); the NKJV text for each matching passage is shown. He mentions a few people by first name in passing, in the transcript only. His remarks about women, marriage, other denominations and healings in Africa are his own and have not been checked by this site. “[Unclear]” marks seven spots. Select any time to jump to that moment on YouTube.

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